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this hope radio for the masses headline

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of the food variety might be 47 the Army

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possession of the army the game is

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GameChanger I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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from outside his way

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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I need your help to get to the you

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you'll need to fade to black with jimmy

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all right welcome fade to black

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this spoke radio for the masses yeah man

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yeah tonight it's Wednesday May 9th 2018

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129 days into the new year just 236 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in downtown Burbank California and I

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would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States

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his ur and teeth or to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for KJ Sierra the

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game changer Network and K GRA the

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I'm your host Amy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing good

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evening tonight it's good to be one of

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those shows they're on t den I guarantee

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I do tonight very special guest Jason

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Lou is here and we'll talk about his

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explosive new book John D and the Empire

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of angels and naki and magic and the

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occult roots of the modern world yeah

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and it is all that to the title the

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title just it gives you a glimpse of

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what this book is all about I've got it

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boom weighs about 15 pounds by the way I

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was talking to Jason about it it's a

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well printed the illustrations are

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really good to color really nice and

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he'll be joining us at the bottom of the

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hour and I know we're gonna run out of

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time tonight and and run straight into

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I gave him that warning I see all of

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that coming so that's what we're doing

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tonight Jason Lou is here tomorrow night

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is another Fator night not just another

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Fator night because tomorrow night we're

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gonna have a Jon Rappoport here and

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there's no more fake newsroom live and

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then Nick Pope is back to take your

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phone calls so we're gonna do that

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tomorrow night it's gonna be a great

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Fator night and great ending to the week

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and so that's that's wow and I was just

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talking to Rita right before the show

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knows how did how did we manage to put

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this week together you know how did that

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happen and she goes wait till you see

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what we're doing next week and I don't

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even know I don't know I don't know what

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wants to outdo herself but what a week

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this week on fader block you can follow

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us on twitter at jay church radio ga ga

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radio that is Ansah it's pretty good all

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right man you know John I got a retweet

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that there it is that's pretty funny

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thank you for all the dancing gifts you

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guys just know how to start off the show

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every night and you know that's uh oh

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ah that's coming in from Mark tirana

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over in Australia okay thank you guys

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follow us on twitter @jj church radio

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that's what you want to do hashtag F to

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yourself it's pretty amazing to see but

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a night on the show I don't burn through

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and the conversation is just amazing so

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hashtag f2 B is the sandbox and get

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cool and let's see if you have any

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questions or comments tonight you will

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it in one of the chat rooms you can send

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me an email Jimmy and Jimmy church radio

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calm but you can also post it at hashtag

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fade to black questions yes fade to

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black questions where marked Oh Anna

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confinement for that month that you know

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email I got that out of the way where we

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news actually North Korea pulled the

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trigger today not now and now it's

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putting it the wrong way North Korea

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American detainees and it went down Mike

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up to North Korea to Pyongyang and three

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their own from a van onto the plane of

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what was going on but they did get

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there was any good news and then a North

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detainees were being freed the three men

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Korean airspace Pompeo called president

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jong-un the North Koreans the news

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similar to you know President Trump

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we just need to grab hold of ourselves I

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DMZ kim jeong-hoon

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Singapore it may be there but I think

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that's a great idea and the reason why I

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wouldn't want to look like we were going

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there to meet Kim jong-un right you want

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well they you know you've got to go in

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me I think that's the way it should be

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there you go and we'll wait for the big

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summit that should be next and okay a

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in the next I'm announced this last time

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in the next 24 or 48 hours or so I've

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got a big release coming on on stellar

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and you can certainly go on register now

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you can go to alpha dot on stellar

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dot-com you can go and you can register

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and get going today I registered an old

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co-worker of mine friend of mine Don and

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it was just so

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fun to have him register with such ease

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and he got right on and started doing

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this thing it was pretty cool pretty

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cool so it's ready to go but these hyung

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excuse me these changes that we are

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doing you're gonna have a newsfeed

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that's just about ready to go you know

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some more security stuff has been

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addressed registration is being

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addressed and how you register and how

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you do your password and things so all

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of that is is being addressed and then

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the news feed and then we got a couple

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of sneak features that I just

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everybody's been asking for the news

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feed so I'm just letting you know it's

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priority one it's ready we just need to

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make sure that it's ready but it's ready

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and and so that'll be in the next 24 to

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48 hours and what we will do both an

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email and you'll get a notification and

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an article posted right there and on

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stellar announcing it okay so that is

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here so go and register get ready you

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can use the promo code Jimmy if you use

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the promo code Jimmy you don't have to

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but if you use the promo code Jimmy you

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will get 15 bonus tokens right so when

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you sign up down stellar you get 10

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stellar tokens on stellar tokens and

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that'll be right there in your wallet

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but if you use the promo code Jimmy you

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get 15 extra you're gonna have 25 there

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yep okay just to let you know my wallet

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says 10 Rida use my promo code

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she's got board tokens than I do so go

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get your tokens go get signed up right

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now it's faster cool or better wallets

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tokens everything is there we'll be

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introducing the blockchain as soon as we

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can we'll be jumping into beta here and

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there you go there are literally

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thousands and thousands of people on on

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stellar right now as I speak and if I I

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said last night just sent me a message

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send me a message on on stellar

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and I'll respond to it and I got flooded

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it was just so funny so I'm gonna do it

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again tonight alright if you're on on

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stellar right now shoot me a message to

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a home one two three four five you guys

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are crazy

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I'll do it I'll respond to every single

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message you might have to wait during

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the break for most of those

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but I'm stellar is just amazing you do

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want to go and check out what everybody

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is doing look at you guys

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yep I'll name y'all right now Andrew Tom

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do mark hello and the ones that are

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underneath there I can't get to it I

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don't want to close these on let's see

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let's see who's over I can't keep up

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Karen I can't I can't roll into these

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okay so anyway I'll respond to everybody

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and say hello right there on on stellar

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okay alpha dot on stellar dot-com all

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right now some other big news I just

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want to let you guys know that the e

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SETI the Seoul tech gathering that we

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are doing up there is going to be

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incredible and it's going on in August

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right after contact in the desert and go

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and sign up today this is how it went

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down and it was just one of those

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conversations so you know I'm talking to

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Corey good about you know II said II and

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how cool it is and he's like man you

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know you know I want to go to E SETI I

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said do you yeah man you know I want to

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go see really you want to go yeah all

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right come on so Corey Goode is gonna be

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with us as our guest uh Patti Sethi so

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there you go that'll be a Friday and

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Saturday uh Patti said he's gonna be

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hanging out as one of you a friend just

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hanging out up at he said he and and he

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just wants to go and he wants to hang

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out and meet all of the fader knots he's

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probably gonna weasel his way onto a

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couple of stages there and interrupt

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things and and say hello to everybody

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but he's going to be there to hang

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out and have conversations with

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everybody and also can you imagine this

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is what's really cool is can't I cannot

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wait for the sky watch at the Field of

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Dreams on Friday night with Cory because

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you never know what might happen right

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right are you with me on this so there

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you go go and get your tickets and info

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we're only selling 300 for the fader

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nods but I just thought it would be

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really fun to have Cory come and hang

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out with all of you and make it special

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and I was thinking about just surprising

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everybody with it but I just you know

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what I want to share that conversation

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that we had today about it so that's it

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the cats out of the bag come and hang

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let's get our show crackin I wanted to

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jump ahead right now into something that

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is important for me to talk about I want

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to make sure that I get all of this in

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because just in case if you haven't

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planet Earth all of it yep yep Facebook

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owns the part that Google lets them I'm

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not casting about these words around

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willy-nilly all right listen listen to

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what Uncle Jimmy has to say let me throw

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some numbers out at you as of February

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2018 Chrome February 2018

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or - I'm sorry as of February 2018 which

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is I was just looking at the calendar

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today's May 9th right three months ago

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as in February 2018 chrome is seventy

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seven point nine percent of the world

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market ten years ago in 2008 what was it

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well I'm glad you asked

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they only

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3.6% back in o8 Internet Explorer and

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Firefox had 90% of the market and they

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split it down the middle 45% each with

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chrome at 3.6 percent today today

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Internet Explorer is down to four point

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one percent

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tell me Microsoft isn't freaking out

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Safari as of today is still the same 3.3

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percent that they were back in 2008

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no change they have been a rock steady

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3% every month for ten straight years

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never made it to three point four by the

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way I never really went down to two

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point nine it's just 3% that's

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interesting isn't it if the trend

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continues chrome will have over 90% of

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the entire internet worldwide next year

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you need to wrap your head around that

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for a second Google is the number one

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site in the world has been for many

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years no surprise and it's not going to

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change anytime soon if ever

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number two is YouTube of course owned by

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Google we're height now let's start to

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throw some stuff around Google the

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number one site used before and after

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searching what

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YouTube YouTube one feeds the other

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now you have to understand what I am

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suggesting here

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well it's fact but I want you to

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understand what I am suggesting Google

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is number one number two is YouTube so

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YouTube sits there and the number one

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site that everybody is at before they go

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to YouTube is Google the number one site

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after that after YouTube is Google do

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you understand

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think about it they've really got it

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figured out it's very very profitable

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one feeds the other a vicious vicious

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circle

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think about it you want to see something

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you search google youtube link pops up

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you click on that let me see something

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in the video and then you go back and

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you search Google and then you find

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another video and then you go back to

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YouTube it's perfection today Google has

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over 90% share of mobile devices not in

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the US by the way in the world by the

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end of 2017 just five months ago forty

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six point eight percent of the world's

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population access the Internet of that

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Google owns ninety percent from every

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angle from searching to advertising and

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of course entertainment with YouTube of

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the top 20 search words worldwide the

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top 20 search words worldwide all of

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them wait for it all of them were done

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on Google the Chrome

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our throne to the Almighty Facebook with

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2.5 billion users which is big it's

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really big I talk about it all the time

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but there's still 1 billion behind

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Google there 1 billion behind YouTube

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you need to understand what is really

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going on here the two sites used before

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and after Facebook you guessed it Google

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YouTube the two sites after visiting

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Facebook our Google and YouTube video is

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in facebook we know that it's obvious

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and it's YouTube of course sure but it's

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all done by design you do it because

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it's easy but it's all done to have

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control of every aspect of everything

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your habits your life and of course

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getting to your wallet this clicking

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cycle is done by everyone on the net now

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before you ask yourself yeah yeah I

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believe it I believe it I'd done it I

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haven't done it myself I I did it

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earlier today and I and that's what

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you're saying right now that right those

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words just went through your head well

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you and virtually everybody else on the

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entire planet did everyone every single

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person with access to the net one way or

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another on this planet visited Google

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and YouTube and did a drive-by on

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Facebook and use the Chrome browser

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while doing it think about the impact of

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it is a total global domination when I

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started talking about Facebook when

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right before sux went into Washington

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did his testimony it was a couple of

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days and you start to understand the

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numbers that I was throwing around two

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and a half billion users there's only

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seven seven and a half billion people on

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this planet how is it possible that a

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social media network could have that

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kind of monopoly and domination of your

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life and their goal is to make sure that

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you stay on that platform all day long

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it's the first thing you do you when you

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wake up and it's the last thing you do

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when you go to bed and you do it all day

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long

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Zuckerberg nah man we're not you know we

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don't do that you know no dopamine

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triggers man it it's it's not about that

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you know it's about the community you

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know now when you look at what YouTube

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who is ahead of Facebook by a billion

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and Google who is right there and Google

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owns the two and they are both wrapped

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up around Facebook the same ads the same

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triggering the same data mining

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everything is flown back and forth and

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in between each other and it's done to

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do one thing and that is to dominate

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your life the numbers the numbers the

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real numbers as I started to peel this

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apart today some of them are frightening

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Google Google are you ready for this

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Google and the numbers they've they've

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gone up so much they've gone up so much

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that nobody can really get I watched a

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Google ticker today a live ticker on who

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is searching keywords right now and

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you've never seen anything move this

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fast in your life right are you ready

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1 million searches per minute think

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about that

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last year 500,000 10 years ago Google 50

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50 thousand today think a million a

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minute and how many minutes are in a day

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you do the math well it's turning out

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the numbers between three and a half and

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four and a half billion searches a day

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and there's only three and a half

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billion users of the Internet

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it's scary so if you don't think that

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Google owns this planet and what is left

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is owned by Facebook in between between

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the two of them they reach out and touch

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everybody perfection they pulled it off

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ten years this is fade to black

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I'm your host Jimmy Church our guest

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tonight Jason luve his book John D and

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the Empire of Angels is incredible we're

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gonna discuss that tonight and a whole

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lot more and I can already tell you're

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gonna make these requests this isn't the

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first night that Jason is gonna be on

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this show we've got to do part 1 2 3 & 4

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tonight's part 1 I'm you know Stevie

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Church follow me on twitter @ JT radio

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you can follow Jason Louv at jasonlew

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the links are up in Twitter I'll be

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right back stay with us

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phone calls all night so that'll be a

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lot of fun Jon Rappoport is gonna be

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here too tomorrow night where there's no

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more fake newsroom live and I open lines

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so please join us for that tonight it's

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Jason loop I'm very excited about the

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show he is the author of eight books

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including the one we're gonna discuss

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tonight John D in the Empire of Angels

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also generation hex the psychic Bible

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and as a journalist he has covered

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surveillance international trade and the

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dark side of technology for vice news

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Boeing Boeing motherboard and many more

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and as a futurist in this strategist he

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has worked on Buzz Aldrin's

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international campaign to colonize Mars

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Google's artificial intelligence program

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and in many more strange and wonderful

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places he lives right here in Los

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Angeles in fact he's a neighbor of ours

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and I would like to welcome for the

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first time to fade to black

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are you ready Jason Lube Jason good

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evening how are you hey Jimmy what's up

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00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:19,530
man

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before we get started this won't be the

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last time that you're on fade to black

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but it is the first time so you get the

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first time guest disclaimer which is

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just you and I sitting on my couch

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having a conversation as friends and

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where the conversation starts it starts

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where it ends it ends but we're gonna

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end as friends you ready sounds good

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you know I I don't know normally I'm

638
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geared up and ready to go this book is

639
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incredible and there are

640
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:05,500
hundred directions that we can go into

641
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:08,290
to kick off the discussion of this book

642
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so before we do that where did your

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00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:15,130
interest start in the subject I have

644
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:18,850
seen and read a lot of your stuff and

645
00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:22,480
you cover so much material but something

646
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happened in your life everything was

647
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normal and then you took a left or right

648
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hand turn what happened what happened

649
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,730
well yeah it's been about over two

650
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decades now since I first started

651
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getting interested in magic and the

652
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occult and there's a lot of there's a

653
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lot of angles on that there's a lot of

654
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reasons why and I think anyone who's

655
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into this stuff will tell you that it

656
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just kind of happens it comes out of the

657
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blue and sideswipes you as it were and

658
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that kind of jumps you and that seems to

659
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be what happens with this stuff people

660
00:36:01,140 --> 00:35:58,060
get fascinated with it but for me it was

661
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frankly just growing up in not being

662
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satisfied as I think probably most you

663
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know most people are just not being

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satisfied with the answers that I was

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getting about what reality is about what

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my potential was as a person about what

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humans were capable of and seeing that

668
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the universe is infinite and vast and

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full of mystery but all the people are

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not all but many of the people around me

671
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were content to you know the most

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mystery they had a you know in their

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life was you know what was the special

674
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gonna be at Applebee's on Friday right

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and and I knew there was there had to be

676
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more and and but you know what to be

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honest when I first started getting into

678
00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:44,910
this stuff I was very skeptical very

679
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almost cynical about it and to be to be

680
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totally honest I started to get into

681
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this stuff because I wanted to disprove

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it and what happened was exactly the

683
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opposite and that started a you know a

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life path for me if you will a quest

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where you know I spent 20 years

686
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investigating every angle of you know

687
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:10,060
shamanism or esoteric spirituality or

688
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:13,510
system for engaging with the deeper

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parts of reality or the deeper part of

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the human consciousness

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and it's just it's been my life because

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there's so much there there's so much on

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offer not just in in our culture but it

694
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you know that it's been hidden in our

695
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culture right and kept secret but on

696
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other cultures it's out in the open and

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so it's just it's just become a lifelong

698
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adventure for me yeah and you write

699
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about that in the book too and and I and

700
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I like your approach to that again we'll

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visit that in a second but I I do agree

702
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:46,030
with you that for me I thought UFOs and

703
00:37:51,930 --> 00:37:50,020
aliens were is which I really enjoyed

704
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and I studied it growing up but I

705
00:37:59,760 --> 00:37:54,940
thought that that was enough and then

706
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I'll remember 30 years ago somebody

707
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mentioning the mystery schools and I was

708
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like okay I'm going right there I'm

709
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going right there whatever that means I

710
00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:10,330
need to and it started to open up these

711
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doors but you have to be skeptical if

712
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you go into this not you know with the

713
00:38:25,110 --> 00:38:23,020
general dose of skepticism and then

714
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:25,120
you're gonna go down roads that you

715
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:27,190
don't need to go down and and believe

716
00:38:32,130 --> 00:38:29,230
some stuff that you don't need to put

717
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:32,140
your beliefs into and and and this world

718
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,930
is full of that and certainly the

719
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mystery schools in lost history and

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00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:38,230
ancient history has proven that to his

721
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:40,750
time and time again hasn't it absolutely

722
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and and I in my books constantly urge

723
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:47,890
people to take a skeptical attitude

724
00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:49,810
towards this stuff I think that people

725
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:52,870
should investigate this with all of the

726
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:56,280
cognitive tools of critical thinking and

727
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,930
scientific thinking and unfortunately

728
00:39:02,370 --> 00:39:00,640
it's not even that people don't do that

729
00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:02,380
with this subject but they don't do it

730
00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:03,880
with a lot of subjects in life in

731
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:08,740
general but yeah you know I think that

732
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:10,210
you you have to you have to walk a

733
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:13,090
narrow a very narrow road with this

734
00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:15,070
stuff because if you fall too far on one

735
00:39:20,490 --> 00:39:18,340
side you fall into believing stuff

736
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:20,500
that's not true and then if you fall too

737
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:23,530
far on the other side then you just shut

738
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:26,110
down to any you know other possibilities

739
00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:27,670
of life and you miss out on the whole

740
00:39:34,810 --> 00:39:29,780
spiritual side of life

741
00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:34,820
you may not have any friends - you can't

742
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:37,070
do that you ain't neither direction the

743
00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:39,530
extremes I mean totally well you know I

744
00:39:43,210 --> 00:39:41,060
like what you just said about belief

745
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,220
about about what we have we have to be

746
00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:44,720
careful what we put our belief into

747
00:39:49,810 --> 00:39:47,150
because one of the conclusions I really

748
00:39:52,690 --> 00:39:49,820
come to in my life is that you know the

749
00:39:55,780 --> 00:39:52,700
phrase I use is belief is the currency

750
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:55,790
we spend to make things real you know

751
00:39:59,650 --> 00:39:57,290
and I also think it you know our belief

752
00:40:02,470 --> 00:39:59,660
when we put our belief and our attention

753
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:02,480
on things we make them real at least for

754
00:40:06,580 --> 00:40:04,730
ourselves we bring them into our life we

755
00:40:08,770 --> 00:40:06,590
make them into an object of focus and

756
00:40:11,110 --> 00:40:08,780
then that determines the quality of our

757
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:11,120
life so I think that one of the great

758
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:15,650
gifts of spirituality and magic if you

759
00:40:19,630 --> 00:40:17,650
will if you want to use that word is

760
00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:19,640
learning that coming to that

761
00:40:24,430 --> 00:40:21,950
understanding that you're in control

762
00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:24,440
you're in charge of what you invest your

763
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:26,150
attention and belief in whether it's

764
00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:28,010
something supernatural or something

765
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,750
totally mundane but you're in the

766
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,040
driver's seat of your life and that's

767
00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:33,440
one of the great you know messages of

768
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:35,120
the the mystery teachings you know

769
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:36,560
that's the great mystery who's who's

770
00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:38,330
driving the car well you are of course

771
00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:41,990
well there's you bring up a one point in

772
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:45,380
the book that really opened up my eyes

773
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,640
and I knew this but you and I'm

774
00:40:53,140 --> 00:40:51,200
everybody's like okay what's what did he

775
00:40:57,310 --> 00:40:53,150
say Jimmy well let me just preempt it

776
00:41:01,060 --> 00:40:57,320
with this the way that you presented it

777
00:41:03,970 --> 00:41:01,070
it allowed me to understand it much more

778
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:03,980
and so I'm gonna paraphrase but I want

779
00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:06,770
you to expand on how you put this

780
00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:11,780
thought together which is this today if

781
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:14,030
somebody says that they are channeling

782
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:17,330
or that they are in contact or they have

783
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:20,690
a spirit being or an angel or whatever

784
00:41:28,810 --> 00:41:23,690
it's nothing but ridicule well I mean

785
00:41:33,550 --> 00:41:28,820
from from from the masses but we put all

786
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:33,560
of you know nearly all of the world one

787
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,880
way or another has religious beliefs and

788
00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:39,040
with

789
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:49,390
Jews and the Jewish faith all channeled

790
00:41:57,329 --> 00:41:51,250
the information that is in those books

791
00:42:00,060 --> 00:41:57,339
and we accept that as as as as Dogma

792
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:00,070
right and and were okay with that but

793
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,990
we're not okay with somebody's that says

794
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:04,240
today I'm you know I'm channeling or I'm

795
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:05,640
speaking to somebody on the other side

796
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,790
you can't have it both ways but yet

797
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,680
we're forced to have it both ways

798
00:42:17,099 --> 00:42:13,359
where did you come up with that thought

799
00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:17,109
process well yeah I mean it's it's real

800
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:19,000
it's crazy right I mean if you take just

801
00:42:24,839 --> 00:42:20,950
that just the big three right

802
00:42:27,630 --> 00:42:24,849
Christianity Islam and Judaism right all

803
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:27,640
of these religions claim to at least in

804
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,970
part have channeled they're the source

805
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,520
of the religion from angels not just any

806
00:42:36,780 --> 00:42:34,960
old being but angels specifically

807
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:36,790
although actually Christianity is the

808
00:42:41,069 --> 00:42:38,290
least Channel the religion because

809
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:41,079
outside of the revelation revelation is

810
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:43,240
Channel but of course the Gospels are at

811
00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:45,010
least purport to be first-hand accounts

812
00:42:49,410 --> 00:42:47,380
of an actual person giving teaching but

813
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:49,420
of course Judaism comes you know the

814
00:42:54,089 --> 00:42:51,430
source of that the primary source of

815
00:42:55,770 --> 00:42:54,099
Judaism is Moses talking to God on in

816
00:42:58,589 --> 00:42:55,780
the burning bush and you know channeling

817
00:43:01,260 --> 00:42:58,599
the ten commandments right and Islam was

818
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:01,270
at least allegedly delivered by the

819
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:04,480
Archangel Gabriel to in a channel the

820
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,730
text the Quran to the Prophet Muhammad

821
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:09,520
in a cave right and so but if you put

822
00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:10,690
all this through those three religion

823
00:43:14,460 --> 00:43:12,220
religions together yeah I mean we're

824
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:14,470
talking about 61% of the planet and then

825
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:16,650
certainly we got a throw in Salt Lake

826
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:22,000
okay yeah that's three now if we take

827
00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:23,410
all the other religions it's almost the

828
00:43:26,490 --> 00:43:25,060
whole planet right right right right I

829
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:26,500
just didn't want to leave out you know

830
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,450
Salt Lake we got a you know let them get

831
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,440
represented but it's so true though and

832
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:34,000
and the way that you wrote I had to sit

833
00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:38,819
back and go okay and then we have John D

834
00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:43,400
which again here we have

835
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:47,070
somebody that well we'll get into who

836
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:50,040
John D is in a second but in his

837
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:53,640
background but John D did just that and

838
00:44:01,850 --> 00:43:57,270
he got ripped apart about it and he had

839
00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:01,860
the greatest CV write resume before that

840
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:04,830
and then suddenly and it's it's like

841
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:09,900
it's not okay well absolutely and well I

842
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:11,430
do want to put a counterpoint to that

843
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:14,370
which is that I think that it's perhaps

844
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:18,510
good that you know for our culture that

845
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,030
we've adopted such a materialist

846
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:23,520
rationalist scientific focus because you

847
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:25,110
know the birth of science which by the

848
00:44:28,910 --> 00:44:27,690
way John D is also responsible for I see

849
00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:28,920
the birth of science as one of the

850
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:31,230
crowning achievements of humanity and

851
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:33,570
and liberated Humanity in many ways from

852
00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:37,110
believing and superstition and fear but

853
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:40,230
that said yeah when we realized that so

854
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:42,150
much of the world derives their beliefs

855
00:44:46,220 --> 00:44:44,220
from what they at least believed to be

856
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:46,230
channeled writings whether you

857
00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:48,180
personally believe that or not and

858
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:50,190
personally I'm agnostic on it but

859
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:52,980
whether whether or not you believe those

860
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:55,290
are valid or not you have to understand

861
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:58,920
that this is how so many human beings so

862
00:45:02,780 --> 00:45:00,540
many of our fellow human beings on this

863
00:45:04,610 --> 00:45:02,790
planet have constructed their belief

864
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:04,620
system so we can't even begin to

865
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:07,740
approach understanding the cultures of

866
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:10,170
the world without at least giving them

867
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:12,410
enough respect to take their beliefs

868
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:15,300
seriously as they present them on their

869
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:17,610
own terms at least to the point where we

870
00:45:21,620 --> 00:45:19,110
can have an honest and respectful

871
00:45:23,570 --> 00:45:21,630
conversation about it and not you know

872
00:45:25,610 --> 00:45:23,580
just reject their beliefs out of hand

873
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:25,620
because otherwise we're talking across

874
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,990
purposes with each other so that's my

875
00:45:31,610 --> 00:45:29,640
feeling on it I don't think that we can

876
00:45:34,850 --> 00:45:31,620
fully understand world cultures without

877
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:34,860
understanding their beliefs but in terms

878
00:45:39,470 --> 00:45:37,650
of John Dee this is a fascinating John

879
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:39,480
Dee really stands at the crossroads of

880
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,610
magic and science and that's one of the

881
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:43,560
reasons that he's so fascinating in that

882
00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:47,850
as you said he had this amazing CV where

883
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:50,430
he was the scientific and astrological

884
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:53,490
adviser to Elizabeth the first he was

885
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:55,770
responsible in part for creating the

886
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:56,400
English in

887
00:46:00,740 --> 00:45:58,650
telogen services he's the guy who came

888
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:00,750
up with the phrase the British Empire he

889
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:02,310
coined that phrase or actually he said

890
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:04,050
an angel delivered delivered that phrase

891
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:06,900
to him in a in an occult ritual but he

892
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,850
laid out the naval schematics that were

893
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:11,520
necessary to create the British Empire

894
00:46:15,590 --> 00:46:13,410
he was the person who brought

895
00:46:17,810 --> 00:46:15,600
mathematics higher mathematics geometry

896
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,820
to the British public for the first time

897
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,160
by introducing Euclid's elements for the

898
00:46:25,130 --> 00:46:22,800
first time in English he developed all

899
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:25,140
kinds of optics and and astronomy

900
00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:27,180
theories and on and on and on and on he

901
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:29,580
was really the Stephen Hawking of his

902
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:32,310
day and or perhaps the da Vinci he was a

903
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,510
true renaissance man yeah and the age of

904
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:38,640
50 and you know after early age of about

905
00:46:45,110 --> 00:46:42,060
50 right he decided to dedicate almost

906
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:45,120
all of his time to attempting to contact

907
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:47,960
angels in occult rituals which he did

908
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:51,450
you know non-stop every day for 10 years

909
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:54,510
and it would be comparable to for

910
00:46:59,600 --> 00:46:56,970
instance in our time period if Stephen

911
00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:59,610
Hawking at the age of 50 had said you

912
00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:01,380
know I'm really happy that I'm the most

913
00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:03,030
recognized science scientist in the

914
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,190
world and everyone respects me and I

915
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:07,200
have the ears of the leaders of the free

916
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:08,730
world and all this but you know what I'm

917
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:10,980
gonna dedicate the next 10 years of my

918
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:13,050
life to taking DMT and trying to talk to

919
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:13,770
a linguist

920
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:15,510
you know it would've been it would have

921
00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:18,480
been like that I think he left off the

922
00:47:26,170 --> 00:47:22,740
best part of his CV though he was the

923
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:26,180
original James Bond how could we forget

924
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:28,770
his code name was double-oh-seven in the

925
00:47:33,110 --> 00:47:30,450
British intelligence services which is

926
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:33,120
where Ian Fleming got that isn't that

927
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:36,300
incredible and think of it so that his

928
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:39,240
importance and certainly his importance

929
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:43,770
during Queen Elizabeth's reign his

930
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:47,220
importance cannot be discounted here it

931
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:52,250
was extraordinary his impact and his

932
00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:55,500
contributions to all of those things he

933
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,010
wasn't really a specialist you know in

934
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:02,160
my opinion he wanted to eight you know

935
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:04,380
and one and one thing he wanted to excel

936
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:07,170
in just about everything and he managed

937
00:48:09,260 --> 00:48:08,610
to pull that off which is an

938
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:09,270
extraordinary

939
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:13,050
life it really is and you know what I

940
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:16,500
say in the book is that John D in my

941
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:18,780
belief is really one of the people

942
00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:21,540
that's responsible for the world we live

943
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:23,790
in now if you consider that he created

944
00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:26,460
the fundamental math behind the British

945
00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:28,230
Empire and the idea that it should

946
00:48:32,570 --> 00:48:30,630
happen and then of course out of the

947
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:32,580
bush became the the biggest empire the

948
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:34,200
world has ever seen the Empire which the

949
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:36,090
Sun never sets and that out of the

950
00:48:40,450 --> 00:48:37,650
British Empire came the American Empire

951
00:48:43,970 --> 00:48:40,460
and that not only that but he also

952
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:43,980
really laid the groundwork that led to

953
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:46,650
the birth of modern science well that's

954
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:48,450
pretty much our whole modern world or a

955
00:48:53,330 --> 00:48:50,850
whole lot of it but the thing is he was

956
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:53,340
so weird in a way I mean you and he had

957
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:55,710
so many interests but also you know he

958
00:49:01,960 --> 00:48:59,220
got so into he did this whole decade or

959
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:01,970
two decades of just pure occult research

960
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:05,010
that he's just been buried in history I

961
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:08,130
mean he his reputation suffered greatly

962
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:10,290
he was written out of the official

963
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,300
history or kind of cast to the sidelines

964
00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:14,160
because people just thought he was too

965
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:15,750
weird and they didn't want to be

966
00:49:19,850 --> 00:49:17,610
associated with that because they wanted

967
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:19,860
people to take them seriously whether

968
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:21,420
we're talking about the early scientists

969
00:49:26,810 --> 00:49:24,450
or even you know more recent historians

970
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:26,820
who have written about him really kind

971
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:29,790
of refused to look at this sight of him

972
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:32,960
and and because he doesn't fit the

973
00:49:38,570 --> 00:49:36,360
accepted narrative of history he's been

974
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:38,580
kind of left in the dustbin of history

975
00:49:43,580 --> 00:49:40,680
you know and that's a shame because I

976
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:43,590
think when we really look closely it'd

977
00:49:49,340 --> 00:49:46,080
be you know we're looking at the person

978
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:49,350
who kind of wrote the computer code that

979
00:49:58,070 --> 00:49:52,760
the modern world runs on in my opinion

980
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,080
the the other part of John and you and I

981
00:50:05,230 --> 00:50:00,720
were talking about this earlier today

982
00:50:10,310 --> 00:50:05,240
for fans of history like myself you see

983
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:10,320
his name referenced so much but then you

984
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:15,780
go to research John D and you hit dead

985
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:18,690
ends and though and and what you do find

986
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,870
and there there's a lot of it out there

987
00:50:27,620 --> 00:50:24,240
but a lot of it is conflicting and you

988
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:27,630
don't know which one to choose it's a

989
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:30,510
very difficult thing to research John

990
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:32,850
Dee how did you pull that off well

991
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,010
absolutely and it's so difficult it I

992
00:50:38,570 --> 00:50:36,720
think anyone it starts to get really

993
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:38,580
into this and research it ask themselves

994
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:40,440
the question at some point you know why

995
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,690
have I never heard this story why has

996
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:44,880
this been that's been kept from me on

997
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:47,310
purpose perhaps like why are we not told

998
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:49,530
in high school that you know the age of

999
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:52,500
empires comes out of an occult ritual to

1000
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:54,270
contact angels I mean it's just so

1001
00:51:00,590 --> 00:50:58,020
bizarre but it is what happened or what

1002
00:51:02,150 --> 00:51:00,600
people believed was what happened but

1003
00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:02,160
you know I wrote this book for one

1004
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,110
reason or you know the primary reason

1005
00:51:07,820 --> 00:51:05,520
was because I wanted to understand the

1006
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:07,830
subject because I just like you I I got

1007
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:09,570
into it I started to research it and I

1008
00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:11,930
kept hitting a lot of fragmentary

1009
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:14,280
information because the deal would be is

1010
00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:16,590
on one side we've had for the most part

1011
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:18,990
on one side we've had historians

1012
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:21,180
academic historians and mainstream

1013
00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:23,400
historians of science who have written

1014
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:25,590
about him and done biographies but have

1015
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:28,650
really kind of tried to marginalize his

1016
00:51:34,010 --> 00:51:31,170
occult stuff and say well he was deluded

1017
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:34,020
he was he was older he was he got taken

1018
00:51:39,020 --> 00:51:37,170
for a ride by a psychic and they try to

1019
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:39,030
downplay that and which is a shame

1020
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,770
because that it was totally central to

1021
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:43,440
his life and on the other hand we have

1022
00:51:47,180 --> 00:51:45,210
occult writers who have written about

1023
00:51:49,820 --> 00:51:47,190
Dee who've written brilliant stuff about

1024
00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:49,830
his occult work but they also take it

1025
00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:51,870
out of context of all of his other work

1026
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:53,670
and the thing about Dee is it was all

1027
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,530
one thing for him and his contemporaries

1028
00:51:59,900 --> 00:51:57,480
the hermetic magicians it was all one

1029
00:52:02,180 --> 00:51:59,910
thing for them this was the time in

1030
00:52:04,610 --> 00:52:02,190
history where it was still possible to

1031
00:52:07,580 --> 00:52:04,620
know everything and what I mean by that

1032
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:07,590
is that you could still read all the you

1033
00:52:10,850 --> 00:52:09,030
know publish material that was available

1034
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:10,860
at that time there really wasn't a whole

1035
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:13,290
lot right and so the intellectuals of

1036
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:14,700
this time they just wanted to understand

1037
00:52:18,620 --> 00:52:16,260
reality they wanted to understand the

1038
00:52:20,060 --> 00:52:18,630
big picture of the whole enchilada and

1039
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:20,070
so there was no separation of

1040
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:22,050
disciplines between them whether it was

1041
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:24,180
you know optics or astronomy or the

1042
00:52:28,070 --> 00:52:26,610
occult or philosophy it was all the same

1043
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:28,080
thing for them they just wanted to know

1044
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:31,690
what was going on the other thing

1045
00:52:35,309 --> 00:52:33,910
I just want to bring this up really

1046
00:52:38,609 --> 00:52:35,319
quick and then we'll move on and we got

1047
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:38,619
ahead to a break but the speed of light

1048
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:46,569
and to have that kind of a vision not

1049
00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:50,530
only in a scientific concept but to have

1050
00:52:55,710 --> 00:52:53,230
that kind of vision to think outside of

1051
00:52:58,349 --> 00:52:55,720
the box who would have even thought

1052
00:53:00,510 --> 00:52:58,359
about that kind of concept but that's

1053
00:53:02,010 --> 00:53:00,520
where Dean was coming from it's it's

1054
00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:02,020
it's extraordinary

1055
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:04,750
it really is optics was a tease focus

1056
00:53:10,349 --> 00:53:08,050
and he hints at in his writings the

1057
00:53:13,020 --> 00:53:10,359
early stirrings of the idea of the speed

1058
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:13,030
of light of even there's parts of his

1059
00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:14,170
writings where it seems like he's

1060
00:53:18,809 --> 00:53:16,750
talking about the potential of solar

1061
00:53:21,059 --> 00:53:18,819
panels or even putting solar panels in

1062
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:21,069
space and the really crazy thing the

1063
00:53:25,770 --> 00:53:22,690
thing that just completely blows my mind

1064
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:25,780
is that he can apply it all of this to

1065
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,210
the occult and he thought that for

1066
00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:30,880
instance we use a telescope these things

1067
00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:32,470
wouldn't be invented till later but you

1068
00:53:37,470 --> 00:53:34,420
know of course we all know that you can

1069
00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:37,480
use a telescope to see out there into

1070
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:39,220
the great beyond and you can use a

1071
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:41,410
microscope to see really small things

1072
00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:43,690
bacteria all that and these you know

1073
00:53:48,270 --> 00:53:46,150
rely on glass you know optical glass

1074
00:53:50,430 --> 00:53:48,280
well d thought that you could use a

1075
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,440
scrying ball which is you know what we

1076
00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:52,480
now know as a crystal ball to directly

1077
00:53:57,059 --> 00:53:55,270
investigate the spiritual world and just

1078
00:53:59,339 --> 00:53:57,069
he thought that you would be able to see

1079
00:54:01,920 --> 00:53:59,349
the attributes of God and spirits

1080
00:54:04,349 --> 00:54:01,930
manifested in actual light waves it's an

1081
00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:04,359
it's a really psychedelic theory and way

1082
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:07,240
to see the world and why why do you

1083
00:54:12,690 --> 00:54:09,670
think you touched upon this earlier but

1084
00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:12,700
let's do this now before the break why

1085
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,859
do you think that history did choose to

1086
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:18,400
erase him

1087
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:21,849
was it the occult or the the magic or

1088
00:54:29,059 --> 00:54:25,210
the angels aspect of it or the dangers

1089
00:54:32,490 --> 00:54:29,069
of science too as well and and of course

1090
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:32,500
the connections to the monarchy but but

1091
00:54:36,540 --> 00:54:35,260
it could have been all or none of it I

1092
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,550
don't know but why do you think they

1093
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:39,040
chose to erase them I think it's all of

1094
00:54:42,839 --> 00:54:40,270
it but I actually think there's a pretty

1095
00:54:45,090 --> 00:54:42,849
simple and mundane answer which is that

1096
00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:45,100
when the Royal Society happened

1097
00:54:49,290 --> 00:54:47,020
the century following D which was the

1098
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:49,300
group of early the early group that

1099
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:52,510
became the first scientists in in London

1100
00:54:56,700 --> 00:54:54,730
you know they were all aware of D they

1101
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:56,710
all looked to him as kind of their their

1102
00:55:01,890 --> 00:54:58,210
intellectual grandfather or they were

1103
00:55:03,570 --> 00:55:01,900
aware of his experiments but they kind

1104
00:55:05,250 --> 00:55:03,580
of wrote him

1105
00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:05,260
they didn't as much they kind of left

1106
00:55:08,970 --> 00:55:07,300
him to the side because they were in a

1107
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:08,980
perilous political position they were

1108
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:10,810
just trying to get science accepted

1109
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:12,940
science itself was heretical enough they

1110
00:55:16,770 --> 00:55:14,800
didn't want to fight two battles I also

1111
00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:16,780
have to defend the occult right right

1112
00:55:20,010 --> 00:55:18,430
right yeah that's the deal I think

1113
00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:20,020
that's why they kind of left him out and

1114
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:22,270
then there could be another side to it

1115
00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:25,410
and I'll throw this out you know

1116
00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:29,020
alchemy and the mystery schools and some

1117
00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:31,960
of these things occult are not to be

1118
00:55:37,950 --> 00:55:35,020
seen or to be discussed and he was

1119
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:37,960
getting a little bit too visible so

1120
00:55:43,260 --> 00:55:40,990
maybe that was part of it where they

1121
00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:43,270
needed some of these things that he was

1122
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:46,660
so accurate that they probably didn't

1123
00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:49,930
want this information out there either

1124
00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:52,390
I think that could be oh yeah something

1125
00:55:55,350 --> 00:55:54,070
that could play into it I mean there's a

1126
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:55,360
reason why it's called a cult

1127
00:56:00,120 --> 00:55:58,210
right oh yeah well look I mean you know

1128
00:56:01,890 --> 00:56:00,130
D later when when he was talking to the

1129
00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:01,900
Angels you know the Angels that they

1130
00:56:07,050 --> 00:56:04,260
were talking to allegedly wanted

1131
00:56:09,570 --> 00:56:07,060
everyone in the world to be able to make

1132
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:09,580
direct contact with angels outside of

1133
00:56:13,350 --> 00:56:11,350
the balance of the Catholic Church and

1134
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:13,360
the Catholic Church was not fond of this

1135
00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:16,690
idea at all and in fact Edie and Kelly

1136
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:18,460
had to run for their lives maybe we'll

1137
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:20,110
touch on this later on but we're

1138
00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:21,690
constantly running for their lives from

1139
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:24,520
Jesuit agents you-you-you know wanted to

1140
00:56:29,390 --> 00:56:26,290
lure them to the Vatican and probably

1141
00:56:32,370 --> 00:56:29,400
torture and kill them so it was a real

1142
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:32,380
fight at a kind of a hidden war going on

1143
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:35,650
and and and the reason was you know the

1144
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:38,170
the the whole promise of magic you know

1145
00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:40,090
the pitch of magic is if you will even

1146
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:43,750
today is that it could allow you perhaps

1147
00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:46,000
to make direct contact with God or

1148
00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:48,220
angels or spiritual beings on your own

1149
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:51,460
without having to go through a church

1150
00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:54,010
and you know give money to them and

1151
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:56,260
submit to what they say and and that

1152
00:57:01,620 --> 00:56:58,570
that was a dangerous idea at the time it

1153
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:01,630
still a dangerous idea you know what

1154
00:57:12,990 --> 00:57:06,160
about was it D who said that the Angels

1155
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,000
told him to stop I said uh well so yeah

1156
00:57:18,540 --> 00:57:15,280
so so D was working with Edward Kelly

1157
00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:18,550
who was a psychic D could not you know

1158
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:20,260
he was a very intellectual he couldn't

1159
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:21,970
make contact with these beings himself

1160
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:25,090
so he needed to rely on psychics that he

1161
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:26,650
worked with or Squires as they were

1162
00:57:31,230 --> 00:57:29,020
called to kind of you know left-brained

1163
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:31,240
more left brain people to go into those

1164
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:33,850
trance States that intuitive flow in

1165
00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:36,790
order to get into those states and you

1166
00:57:41,130 --> 00:57:38,200
know the the guy he was working with

1167
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:41,140
Edward Kelly was had some you know he

1168
00:57:47,790 --> 00:57:43,950
was he had a lot of personal issues and

1169
00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:47,800
he was often he he wanted to stop and

1170
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:49,660
quite a bit it was too much for him many

1171
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:51,370
many times and he was just getting burnt

1172
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:52,960
out and overloaded by all of this

1173
00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:54,850
information and all this angelic

1174
00:57:59,250 --> 00:57:56,320
information coming through these rituals

1175
00:58:01,410 --> 00:57:59,260
and he was often begging D to stop

1176
00:58:03,690 --> 00:58:01,420
because it he thought it was too much

1177
00:58:04,890 --> 00:58:03,700
for him but D kept pushing him and

1178
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:04,900
pushing him and pushing him until

1179
00:58:07,950 --> 00:58:06,850
finally he kind of snapped about seven

1180
00:58:09,810 --> 00:58:07,960
years into it

1181
00:58:13,050 --> 00:58:09,820
yeah plus and that's the other part of

1182
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:13,060
getting silenced right if the if you can

1183
00:58:18,030 --> 00:58:15,370
make direct contact with angels you know

1184
00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:18,040
why do you need the church so maybe they

1185
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:20,320
had something to do with it too could be

1186
00:58:26,220 --> 00:58:22,900
but he was certainly a difficult thing

1187
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:26,230
for me to research and and try to get

1188
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:28,090
something very accurate out there and

1189
00:58:34,620 --> 00:58:30,310
the more that I dived into John D and

1190
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:34,630
this is 2025 years ago I was very

1191
00:58:41,310 --> 00:58:37,720
impressed with the fact that it made

1192
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:41,320
it's a rabbit hole right you just can't

1193
00:58:45,870 --> 00:58:43,420
get to the real truth at least I felt

1194
00:58:48,570 --> 00:58:45,880
like I was being stonewalled at every

1195
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:48,580
turn oh absolutely you know it's like

1196
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:50,890
every time you know you unwrap a layer

1197
00:58:55,350 --> 00:58:53,290
of the mystery of D you see it's like

1198
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:55,360
you you unveil a whole new layer of

1199
00:59:00,450 --> 00:58:57,610
reality and every step of the way

1200
00:59:02,820 --> 00:59:00,460
it shakes and sometimes shatters your

1201
00:59:05,010 --> 00:59:02,830
your assumptions about what history is

1202
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:05,020
and what the world is and perhaps who

1203
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:07,570
you are and what's going on right and

1204
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:09,730
it's it's a massive massive subject I

1205
00:59:13,049 --> 00:59:11,130
mean for people who were into

1206
00:59:15,689 --> 00:59:13,059
spirituality and mad

1207
00:59:17,370 --> 00:59:15,699
d in his work are really the calculus of

1208
00:59:19,739 --> 00:59:17,380
the spiritual world you know if people

1209
00:59:22,529 --> 00:59:19,749
getting into rituals is like you know

1210
00:59:24,149 --> 00:59:22,539
the basics of meditation and magic is

1211
00:59:26,699 --> 00:59:24,159
like arithmetic and then getting more

1212
00:59:28,469 --> 00:59:26,709
into Kabbalah and Hermeticism and the

1213
00:59:30,479 --> 00:59:28,479
more structured paths is kind of like

1214
00:59:34,439 --> 00:59:30,489
you know geometry and trigonometry

1215
00:59:36,269 --> 00:59:34,449
geometry well D is calculus

1216
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,279
it's that complicated let me jump in

1217
00:59:39,419 --> 00:59:37,839
right there we got to take a break but

1218
00:59:41,399 --> 00:59:39,429
when we come back I want to talk about

1219
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:41,409
these influences we've got to go back

1220
00:59:46,349 --> 00:59:43,689
and talk about Hermeticism and its

1221
00:59:49,499 --> 00:59:46,359
foundation what it is and how that

1222
00:59:50,999 --> 00:59:49,509
rolled into of course his life so we'll

1223
00:59:53,699 --> 00:59:51,009
do that when we come back our guest

1224
00:59:54,929 --> 00:59:53,709
tonight Jason Louvre this is a fade to

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from Italy Jason let's pick up where we

1304
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:30,510
left off when we talk about influences

1305
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:35,250
and romanticism is is I think it's Dold

1306
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:37,470
about sometimes a little bit too loosely

1307
01:04:42,830 --> 01:04:41,010
and a lot who say that may not

1308
01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:42,840
understand it I talked about it earlier

1309
01:04:47,690 --> 01:04:45,750
where you start to do research you know

1310
01:04:49,310 --> 01:04:47,700
I thought UFOs was enough for my life

1311
01:04:51,710 --> 01:04:49,320
right needs and you jump into

1312
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:51,720
Hermeticism and and that that's a

1313
01:04:56,090 --> 01:04:53,940
lifelong study right there of research

1314
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:56,100
and and it's foundations which go back

1315
01:05:02,390 --> 01:04:57,780
you know of course to Alexandria in

1316
01:05:06,380 --> 01:05:02,400
Egypt but a huge influence on all of the

1317
01:05:09,770 --> 01:05:06,390
thinkers in the world to this day but

1318
01:05:13,610 --> 01:05:09,780
when we talk about Hermeticism I want

1319
01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:13,620
your definition totally so hermeticism

1320
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:17,220
is a 2000 year old secret tradition in

1321
01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:20,970
Western civilization which is kind of

1322
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:24,180
the study of the hidden occult and

1323
01:05:31,580 --> 01:05:28,050
spiritual forces behind the world and

1324
01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:31,590
it's the attempts from you know people

1325
01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:33,390
from time immemorial

1326
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:37,260
to understand what reality is and it's

1327
01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:39,090
the parent tradition from which we get

1328
01:05:43,340 --> 01:05:41,400
of course the occult and magic and

1329
01:05:45,110 --> 01:05:43,350
actually also that we get science from

1330
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:45,120
you know science and alchemy were born

1331
01:05:49,070 --> 01:05:47,460
out of their Hermetic tradition so you

1332
01:05:51,650 --> 01:05:49,080
have to imagine in context that for a

1333
01:05:54,290 --> 01:05:51,660
thousand years and more 1500 years it

1334
01:05:56,060 --> 01:05:54,300
was the church right there was the

1335
01:05:58,460 --> 01:05:56,070
Catholic Church and then the Protestant

1336
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,470
branches and the Orthodox Church and the

1337
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:00,720
one source of truth about what reality

1338
01:06:06,140 --> 01:06:04,410
was was the church and it was just this

1339
01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:06,150
is what it is it's received scripture

1340
01:06:10,220 --> 01:06:08,520
follow the book and follow what the

1341
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:10,230
church says and that's it and don't ask

1342
01:06:13,370 --> 01:06:10,980
questions

1343
01:06:15,980 --> 01:06:13,380
well Hermeticism was and of course

1344
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:15,990
became a cult Hermeticism were the

1345
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:17,850
people who did want to ask questions who

1346
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:21,810
wanted to perhaps make experiments into

1347
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:24,330
reality in the spiritual world to try

1348
01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:25,610
and understand things for themselves

1349
01:06:31,790 --> 01:06:28,350
instead of just being told what to think

1350
01:06:34,790 --> 01:06:31,800
and more more deeper deep you know more

1351
01:06:37,610 --> 01:06:34,800
deeply than that Hermeticism is really

1352
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:37,620
trying to it comes from the place of

1353
01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:40,680
saying well if God created everything

1354
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:43,230
right if God created the universe well

1355
01:06:50,420 --> 01:06:46,710
there must be intelligence behind how he

1356
01:06:52,220 --> 01:06:50,430
or she or it you know what how God

1357
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:52,230
created this universe right the

1358
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:54,720
signature of the Creator must be in the

1359
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,090
creation and so you know this is kind of

1360
01:07:01,610 --> 01:07:00,000
funny but the the best definition of

1361
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:01,620
hermeticism that I've ever heard

1362
01:07:09,530 --> 01:07:05,160
actually comes from a Smith song it's

1363
01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:09,540
really the song asked by the Smiths

1364
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:11,220
Morrissey had the lyric nature as a

1365
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:13,410
language can't you read which of course

1366
01:07:16,550 --> 01:07:15,090
he's not talking about Hermeticism but I

1367
01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:16,560
think that's the greatest definition of

1368
01:07:19,490 --> 01:07:18,780
Hermeticism ever because the Hermetic

1369
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:19,500
thinkers

1370
01:07:26,540 --> 01:07:24,330
at nature and the human soul and they

1371
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:26,550
wanted to find the patterns you know

1372
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:28,650
what what are the pata hidden occult

1373
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:30,690
patterns of reality and if we can

1374
01:07:34,070 --> 01:07:32,130
understand those patterns then we'll

1375
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:34,080
understand the language of nature and

1376
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:36,330
even more than that we'll understand the

1377
01:07:41,180 --> 01:07:39,240
language of how God talks because God

1378
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:41,190
doesn't necessarily talk in language God

1379
01:07:45,010 --> 01:07:43,290
talks through the language of everything

1380
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:45,020
around us the creation that we're

1381
01:07:49,310 --> 01:07:47,730
experiencing and living in they wanted

1382
01:07:52,580 --> 01:07:49,320
to understand how the machine was put

1383
01:07:55,220 --> 01:07:52,590
together where else can you go to get a

1384
01:07:58,660 --> 01:07:55,230
healthy dose of alchemy Hermeticism and

1385
01:08:02,720 --> 01:07:58,670
Morrissey drop right all in one show

1386
01:08:07,580 --> 01:08:02,730
that's what I'm talking about Morrissey

1387
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:07,590
was a genius or is but genius genius

1388
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:09,720
right if they were John D and I'm not

1389
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:13,050
saying that loosely at all and I like

1390
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:15,180
your musical background and that's a

1391
01:08:18,620 --> 01:08:16,980
that's a really cool

1392
01:08:21,769 --> 01:08:18,630
I open or I don't want to go into a

1393
01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:21,779
music thing here but I'm very only

1394
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:23,190
they've been able to collaborate it

1395
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:26,880
would have been more seemed R&D John D

1396
01:08:32,180 --> 01:08:30,089
instead of no Johnny more no no he could

1397
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:32,190
have gone with John D he just dropped

1398
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:36,239
the two E's totally could have been

1399
01:08:43,220 --> 01:08:41,160
Johnny D and Morris C man I'm gonna

1400
01:08:47,809 --> 01:08:43,230
claim that I'm gonna steal that okay so

1401
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:47,819
now this is for me we have the other

1402
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:49,650
part about this too when we're talking

1403
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,060
about Hermeticism and of course

1404
01:08:58,970 --> 01:08:56,640
Alexandria we have the the thought

1405
01:09:01,099 --> 01:08:58,980
elephants and and stuff that goes back

1406
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:01,109
tens of thousands of years going

1407
01:09:07,340 --> 01:09:04,650
backwards was John D aware of that part

1408
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,350
of it yes he absolutely was and he

1409
01:09:11,450 --> 01:09:09,839
studied it intensively for you know the

1410
01:09:14,660 --> 01:09:11,460
first you know for throughout his his

1411
01:09:17,150 --> 01:09:14,670
20s and 30s and yeah I mean with the

1412
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:17,160
Hermetic texts they had leftover text

1413
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:21,000
from Alexandria and Egypt and it had

1414
01:09:25,460 --> 01:09:23,250
been a textual tradition going back to

1415
01:09:28,010 --> 01:09:25,470
the beginning of the first century and

1416
01:09:30,260 --> 01:09:28,020
the really exciting thing for D and his

1417
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:30,270
contemporaries was that they were able

1418
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:32,310
to get their hands on those texts for

1419
01:09:37,550 --> 01:09:34,250
the first time during the Renaissance

1420
01:09:42,590 --> 01:09:37,560
after the sack of Constantinople in the

1421
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,600
1400s by the Ottoman Empire where you

1422
01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:44,640
know when when Constantinople was burned

1423
01:09:51,260 --> 01:09:48,779
a lot of Orthodox priests fled to the

1424
01:09:52,940 --> 01:09:51,270
Vatican and the the Italian city-states

1425
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:52,950
and they brought with them all those

1426
01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:54,960
texts right not just the hermetica but

1427
01:09:59,840 --> 01:09:57,420
also the texts of Plato and Aristotle

1428
01:10:02,150 --> 01:09:59,850
that was the first time people in Europe

1429
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:02,160
had ever seen really any source of

1430
01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:04,860
anything interesting outside of you know

1431
01:10:10,490 --> 01:10:06,780
the Bible so it was a big deal for

1432
01:10:12,710 --> 01:10:10,500
people if I could go back in time there

1433
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:12,720
would be a few I'm gonna ask you where

1434
01:10:17,690 --> 01:10:14,340
you would go right now there would be a

1435
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:17,700
few places that I would need to deal

1436
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:19,650
with I would you know when when the

1437
01:10:23,060 --> 01:10:21,570
pyramids were being constructed whatever

1438
01:10:25,820 --> 01:10:23,070
that was I would like to be there to see

1439
01:10:29,209 --> 01:10:25,830
that I would like to go back to gobekli

1440
01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:29,219
tepe and and see that get bill 12,000

1441
01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:30,270
years ago

1442
01:10:38,900 --> 01:10:34,950
but Florence Wright said and what was

1443
01:10:41,930 --> 01:10:38,910
flourishing there and and to hang out

1444
01:10:44,510 --> 01:10:41,940
and at the different you know not only

1445
01:10:48,380 --> 01:10:44,520
the secret rooms but just the cafes and

1446
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,390
and see how that information was

1447
01:10:53,420 --> 01:10:50,880
collected and and discussed could you

1448
01:10:55,940 --> 01:10:53,430
just imagine uh for you if you could do

1449
01:10:57,500 --> 01:10:55,950
the same thing what would you do well I

1450
01:11:00,320 --> 01:10:57,510
would love to see all that I mean can

1451
01:11:02,090 --> 01:11:00,330
you imagine the beautiful piazzas and

1452
01:11:04,460 --> 01:11:02,100
all the you know the Florentine art and

1453
01:11:06,620 --> 01:11:04,470
the Sistine Chapel a couple of bad you

1454
01:11:08,030 --> 01:11:06,630
know it would be incredible but not to

1455
01:11:10,220 --> 01:11:08,040
be cheeky but you know actually I think

1456
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:10,230
my honest answer is I like it now I

1457
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:12,570
think for somebody like me and for many

1458
01:11:15,710 --> 01:11:14,280
of the listeners and you know I think

1459
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:15,720
that you know for people like us who are

1460
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:17,610
interested in this stuff now really is

1461
01:11:22,730 --> 01:11:20,490
the best time in history to be alive

1462
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:22,740
and because this material has been kept

1463
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:24,540
secret for thousands of years it's been

1464
01:11:28,700 --> 01:11:26,940
hidden for an elite and if people

1465
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:28,710
haven't had access to it we when you

1466
01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:31,440
consider that even John Dee spent years

1467
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:33,720
just searching for one book in Europe in

1468
01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:36,480
Europe and now we have access to all

1469
01:11:40,430 --> 01:11:38,100
this stuff you know we can just Google

1470
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,440
PDFs of it or get it sent the same day

1471
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:42,960
on Amazon Prime and we can talk about it

1472
01:11:47,210 --> 01:11:44,970
openly and do shows like this without

1473
01:11:49,340 --> 01:11:47,220
being afraid that someone's gonna come

1474
01:11:51,260 --> 01:11:49,350
knock on the door and I think that

1475
01:11:53,930 --> 01:11:51,270
that's a incredible and unprecedented

1476
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:53,940
and we should take as much advantage of

1477
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:56,640
it as we can well as we can while we

1478
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,650
still have it so that's my hopefully not

1479
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:00,960
too cheeky answer but now really is I

1480
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:03,360
think the golden age of magic in a way

1481
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:05,250
more than any of these other cultures

1482
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:09,150
now back to John Dee so let's go let's

1483
01:12:18,290 --> 01:12:14,130
go back to the the the scientist okay so

1484
01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:18,300
here he is I guess he could nearly be

1485
01:12:21,820 --> 01:12:20,580
called the number two right in the

1486
01:12:25,370 --> 01:12:21,830
British Empire

1487
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:25,380
in this advisory capacity and in the

1488
01:12:32,330 --> 01:12:27,420
scientific stuff that he was doing for

1489
01:12:35,210 --> 01:12:32,340
the Queen at the time how how much did

1490
01:12:39,260 --> 01:12:35,220
he influence through science and

1491
01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:39,270
experiments and demonstrations to to

1492
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:41,880
Elizabeth at that time how profound was

1493
01:12:44,050 --> 01:12:43,650
it and how much impact did he have on

1494
01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:44,060
her

1495
01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:46,710
he had a lot of influence and he had a

1496
01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:49,260
profound impact but it wasn't as much as

1497
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:51,420
people think actually in the sense that

1498
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:54,210
you know he was one of many consultants

1499
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:55,650
to the Queen I mean he had many

1500
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,420
contemporaries Sir Francis Walsingham

1501
01:13:02,420 --> 01:12:59,520
who started you know what we now know as

1502
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,430
mi5 and mi6 there were other alchemists

1503
01:13:06,740 --> 01:13:04,640
at the court and he was perpetually

1504
01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:06,750
perpetually kind of underpaid he was

1505
01:13:10,820 --> 01:13:08,580
really a underpaid government consultant

1506
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:10,830
for most of his life and didn't get a

1507
01:13:15,260 --> 01:13:13,110
whole lot of love and respect so it's

1508
01:13:17,630 --> 01:13:15,270
easy to kind of romanticize his position

1509
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:17,640
but he was really one of many I'm not

1510
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:19,410
necessarily sure he was the number two I

1511
01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:20,489
think that probably would have been

1512
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:22,950
William sessile the Secretary of State

1513
01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:26,130
who was not a fan of Dee but it you know

1514
01:13:30,380 --> 01:13:28,440
it's crazy you can only imagine you know

1515
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:30,390
Dee's crowning achievement of his

1516
01:13:33,620 --> 01:13:32,610
scientific and his Imperial career if

1517
01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:33,630
you want to call it that his political

1518
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:35,880
career was coming up with this idea of

1519
01:13:40,190 --> 01:13:38,010
the British Empire and saying you know

1520
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:40,200
at this time England was poor it was a

1521
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:41,880
developing nation people couldn't

1522
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:44,130
couldn't eat there you know Elizabeth's

1523
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:45,540
administration was broke they were

1524
01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:48,360
afraid of Spain sending the Armada to

1525
01:13:52,580 --> 01:13:50,340
just come down on everybody and it could

1526
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:52,590
all end at any moment and it was Dee who

1527
01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:54,510
came up with the idea that just as the

1528
01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:56,760
Romans had conquered the world by

1529
01:14:01,580 --> 01:13:59,100
leveraging the the technology of the

1530
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,590
road that England could conquer the

1531
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:04,080
world by leveraging naval technology so

1532
01:14:08,770 --> 01:14:05,520
he gave them the idea of the British

1533
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:08,780
Empire and the scientific schematics and

1534
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:11,820
in order to do it and he invented the

1535
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:13,380
paradoxical compass and all of this

1536
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,530
stuff and but he brought you have to

1537
01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:18,480
imagine him coming to court in his early

1538
01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:20,670
50s and bringing the this idea and they

1539
01:14:25,490 --> 01:14:22,980
laughed him out of court and and they

1540
01:14:28,220 --> 01:14:25,500
thought it was an absurd idea and then

1541
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:28,230
he left hanging his head in shame and

1542
01:14:33,229 --> 01:14:30,810
then a few days later the sessile the

1543
01:14:35,450 --> 01:14:33,239
Secretary of State brought him a leg of

1544
01:14:37,580 --> 01:14:35,460
venison as payment for his idea this is

1545
01:14:40,370 --> 01:14:37,590
the again the greatest empire the world

1546
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:40,380
had ever seen the the genesis the idea

1547
01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:42,690
with this his payment was a leg of lamb

1548
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:46,350
for the British Empire and so he you

1549
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:48,360
know he left in shame and didn't get any

1550
01:14:51,740 --> 01:14:49,890
love for it but of course you know only

1551
01:14:54,100 --> 01:14:51,750
a few years later they turned around and

1552
01:14:56,350 --> 01:14:54,110
used his idea and

1553
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:56,360
and ran with it when once they realized

1554
01:15:02,020 --> 01:14:58,010
how much wealth there was in North

1555
01:15:03,940 --> 01:15:02,030
America a tragic story it is it is well

1556
01:15:06,610 --> 01:15:03,950
it wouldn't have been that bad if it was

1557
01:15:13,390 --> 01:15:06,620
a New Zealand leg of lamb you know

1558
01:15:16,930 --> 01:15:13,400
because they know English so so that

1559
01:15:19,630 --> 01:15:16,940
probably ticked him off the the other

1560
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:19,640
part of it is which is an extraordinary

1561
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:23,360
part of of this entire stories is Edward

1562
01:15:28,780 --> 01:15:28,010
Kelly now when Edward came into the

1563
01:15:30,730 --> 01:15:28,790
picture

1564
01:15:32,350 --> 01:15:30,740
well you know wait a minute wait a

1565
01:15:34,830 --> 01:15:32,360
minute you and I understand the story

1566
01:15:37,780 --> 01:15:34,840
the audience does it who is Edward Kelly

1567
01:15:41,530 --> 01:15:37,790
okay so yeah this is where it gets even

1568
01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:41,540
crazier because it does and so d up to

1569
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:42,980
this point we've that's pretty much the

1570
01:15:47,290 --> 01:15:44,960
first 50 years of his life is academic

1571
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,300
intellectual government work right and

1572
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:49,280
it's only after this this period where

1573
01:15:53,140 --> 01:15:51,290
he's after the his I gets the idea for

1574
01:15:56,380 --> 01:15:53,150
the British Empire that he decides to

1575
01:15:59,200 --> 01:15:56,390
dedicate himself full-time to the occult

1576
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:59,210
but and he's he's so he's got decades of

1577
01:16:03,090 --> 01:16:00,800
theory under his belt but Dee has a

1578
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:03,100
problem and the problem is that he can't

1579
01:16:08,650 --> 01:16:06,410
scry and scrying is for those who don't

1580
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:08,660
know scrying is basically staring into a

1581
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:11,570
piece of crystal or a glass or a dark

1582
01:16:16,780 --> 01:16:14,330
mirror until you kind of trance out and

1583
01:16:20,050 --> 01:16:16,790
in that trance state it's kind of like a

1584
01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:20,060
dream state a waking dream where you can

1585
01:16:23,290 --> 01:16:21,860
if you're good at this it takes a while

1586
01:16:25,690 --> 01:16:23,300
to learn if you're good at this you can

1587
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:25,700
see what appear to be other beings and

1588
01:16:31,450 --> 01:16:28,730
get information from them so dee

1589
01:16:32,890 --> 01:16:31,460
couldn't do that because he was - he was

1590
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:32,900
like an IT guy right he was too

1591
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:36,560
compulsively rational and so his the

1592
01:16:41,290 --> 01:16:37,850
breakthrough and in fact he even

1593
01:16:42,820 --> 01:16:41,300
contemplated suicide in 1569 where he

1594
01:16:45,250 --> 01:16:42,830
had been trying to do it he was trying

1595
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:45,260
to contact the Archangel Michael and he

1596
01:16:49,180 --> 01:16:46,790
couldn't do it and he thought it was

1597
01:16:50,460 --> 01:16:49,190
because he wasn't worthy enough of a

1598
01:16:52,780 --> 01:16:50,470
Christian right

1599
01:16:54,370 --> 01:16:52,790
but his breakthrough his quantum leap

1600
01:16:56,170 --> 01:16:54,380
came through when he met Edward Kelly

1601
01:16:58,960 --> 01:16:56,180
and so you have to imagine this guy

1602
01:17:02,140 --> 01:16:58,970
arriving at Dee's house in mortlake in

1603
01:17:04,140 --> 01:17:02,150
southwestern London and the moon Dee

1604
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,150
writes in his Diaries turned blood-red

1605
01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:06,960
the David Edward Kelly appeared and

1606
01:17:12,110 --> 01:17:09,510
Kelly was half of DS half DS AG was 25

1607
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,120
he was overweight his ears had been cut

1608
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:14,719
off for fort he got caught forging coins

1609
01:17:21,290 --> 01:17:18,690
he was an alcoholic he a cloud of

1610
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:21,300
scandal and a miasma of kind of infernal

1611
01:17:26,150 --> 01:17:23,400
ISM followed him where he'd been accused

1612
01:17:27,979 --> 01:17:26,160
of you know necromancy summoning corpses

1613
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:27,989
from the grave or speaking to you know

1614
01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:29,640
trying to summon demons which he had

1615
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:33,510
been doing mm-hm and Dee and his wife

1616
01:17:38,990 --> 01:17:36,330
and his family were repulsed by him but

1617
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:39,000
Dee very quickly realized that Kelly had

1618
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:41,370
the gift he had the knack he could do it

1619
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:43,920
he was not only a good Squire but he was

1620
01:17:49,940 --> 01:17:48,060
giving the information that matched up

1621
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:49,950
with what Dean knew about magic that

1622
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:51,900
seemed to be incredibly good quality

1623
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:54,000
information and so they formed a working

1624
01:17:58,580 --> 01:17:56,010
partnership and what that looked like on

1625
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:58,590
a day to day basis was them sitting in

1626
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:02,400
Dee's study around a crystal ball and or

1627
01:18:07,580 --> 01:18:05,370
a piece of crystal and Dee doing you

1628
01:18:09,770 --> 01:18:07,590
know praying at length to exhaustion

1629
01:18:13,550 --> 01:18:09,780
almost or praying to Jesus and the

1630
01:18:16,100 --> 01:18:13,560
angels to bring them wisdom and higher

1631
01:18:17,630 --> 01:18:16,110
knowledge of reality and then after Dee

1632
01:18:19,790 --> 01:18:17,640
finish the prayers and kind of a

1633
01:18:20,330 --> 01:18:19,800
technical side of opening this magical

1634
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:20,340
space

1635
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:23,010
Kelly would approach the crystal and go

1636
01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:24,750
into this trance State and then he would

1637
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:26,760
narrate what he was seeing in his

1638
01:18:31,370 --> 01:18:28,710
visions and Dee would write it would ask

1639
01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:31,380
questions to clarify and then be writing

1640
01:18:39,890 --> 01:18:37,560
it down let me jump in Jason yeah it did

1641
01:18:43,010 --> 01:18:39,900
Kelly's reputation at that point was

1642
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:43,020
already in stone if you will right and

1643
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:47,690
it was it was Dee aware of Kelly's past

1644
01:18:54,850 --> 01:18:50,719
because how do you go from a pragmatic

1645
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:54,860
black-and-white scientific mindset to

1646
01:19:01,790 --> 01:18:57,210
accepting Kelly

1647
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:01,800
I only envisioned that if if Dee didn't

1648
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:04,020
know about his past did he know about

1649
01:19:10,490 --> 01:19:08,100
his past it's unclear it's very likely

1650
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:10,500
he did but you know Dee didn't have that

1651
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,690
great of a reputation either Andy had

1652
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:14,640
been accused of sorcery even from his

1653
01:19:18,110 --> 01:19:16,890
college days one of the reasons being

1654
01:19:20,540 --> 01:19:18,120
that he was always playing practical

1655
01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:20,550
jokes and using his knowledge of opped

1656
01:19:25,970 --> 01:19:22,860
for instance to create optical illusions

1657
01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:25,980
and he had made the he had done a play

1658
01:19:30,740 --> 01:19:28,500
in college where he created an illusion

1659
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:30,750
of a flying beetle using optical glasses

1660
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,110
that terrified everyone and and you know

1661
01:19:37,549 --> 01:19:36,239
he'd been accused of working the

1662
01:19:38,930 --> 01:19:37,559
Catholics thought he was working with a

1663
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:38,940
Protestant side the Protestants I

1664
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:40,170
thought he was working with a Catholic

1665
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:42,960
like he he himself had a cloud of

1666
01:19:47,209 --> 01:19:45,090
scandal around him which may have made

1667
01:19:49,939 --> 01:19:47,219
him perhaps more sympathetic to somebody

1668
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:49,949
who also was on the wrong you know on

1669
01:19:54,620 --> 01:19:52,650
the outskirts of society but certainly

1670
01:19:57,799 --> 01:19:54,630
associating with Kelly didn't help his

1671
01:20:00,680 --> 01:19:57,809
reputation very much either but I think

1672
01:20:03,500 --> 01:20:00,690
that D you know D to get a sense of his

1673
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:03,510
character and who he was he was a

1674
01:20:10,129 --> 01:20:05,880
scientist he was totally concerned only

1675
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:10,139
with finding the truth and other things

1676
01:20:14,959 --> 01:20:12,570
and I think this is quite to his credit

1677
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:14,969
and really remarkable nothing else

1678
01:20:18,919 --> 01:20:16,590
really mattered to him his social

1679
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:18,929
position I mean he was desperately poor

1680
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:20,340
for much of his life so he was

1681
01:20:23,089 --> 01:20:21,510
constantly trying to get money that

1682
01:20:26,180 --> 01:20:23,099
mattered to him but his social position

1683
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:26,190
was not as important and what people

1684
01:20:31,549 --> 01:20:28,489
thought of him was not as important as

1685
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:31,559
and he took phenomenal professional

1686
01:20:34,700 --> 01:20:33,449
risks you know and certainly people at

1687
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:34,710
this time would have thought that he was

1688
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:36,420
you know playing with the fate of his

1689
01:20:39,799 --> 01:20:38,010
immortal soul doing this type of thing

1690
01:20:42,410 --> 01:20:39,809
so those are those are tremendous you

1691
01:20:44,660 --> 01:20:42,420
know scientific if you will risks or

1692
01:20:47,629 --> 01:20:44,670
risk to take in the name of pure science

1693
01:20:51,919 --> 01:20:47,639
or discovering the truth but D was very

1694
01:20:53,689 --> 01:20:51,929
I think very very sincere perhaps to a

1695
01:20:56,359 --> 01:20:53,699
fault perhaps even being a bit naive

1696
01:20:58,549 --> 01:20:56,369
about other people's the motivation of

1697
01:21:04,160 --> 01:20:58,559
people around him what about alchemy

1698
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,170
before Kelly was was d exposed to the

1699
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:06,719
alchemists of the time absolutely

1700
01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:08,730
it's a his so here's the deal with

1701
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:10,380
alchemy right what's the promise of

1702
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:13,050
alchemy it's that you can turn base

1703
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:14,880
metals into gold but you can take lead

1704
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:16,770
and turn it into gold through some

1705
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:19,290
secret chemical process you can imagine

1706
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:21,449
this idea would be quite interesting to

1707
01:21:26,209 --> 01:21:24,239
people at the time and so what we saw

1708
01:21:27,979 --> 01:21:26,219
during the Elizabethan era and before

1709
01:21:30,799 --> 01:21:27,989
that and afterwards is and the

1710
01:21:32,419 --> 01:21:30,809
Renaissance was everybody was trying to

1711
01:21:33,950 --> 01:21:32,429
figure out alchemy it was really the

1712
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:33,960
arms race you know the fine

1713
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:36,480
arms race of its day mm-hmm work because

1714
01:21:40,970 --> 01:21:38,250
whoever figured that out first would

1715
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:40,980
have an economic edge over all the other

1716
01:21:46,220 --> 01:21:44,340
competing countries so Elizabeth was you

1717
01:21:47,780 --> 01:21:46,230
know constantly was fascinated by

1718
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:47,790
alchemy they kept getting the

1719
01:21:51,650 --> 01:21:49,800
Elizabethan Court kept getting taken by

1720
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:51,660
fraudulent alchemists who claimed that

1721
01:21:55,130 --> 01:21:53,400
they could do it but didn't produce

1722
01:21:57,530 --> 01:21:55,140
results but it sucked down a lot of

1723
01:22:00,890 --> 01:21:57,540
money in the process from the court dee

1724
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:00,900
was fascinated with alchemy but Dee was

1725
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:02,910
fascinated with real alchemy and real

1726
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:05,130
alchemy is using those metaphors and

1727
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:08,010
applying them to the human soul right

1728
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:10,410
how can we take you know base led

1729
01:22:15,170 --> 01:22:12,960
meaning your standard unawakened human

1730
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:15,180
being who feels powerless and adrift in

1731
01:22:20,690 --> 01:22:18,810
the world and through by applying occult

1732
01:22:23,210 --> 01:22:20,700
processes meaning you know meditation

1733
01:22:25,220 --> 01:22:23,220
and ritual and prayer and the all the

1734
01:22:27,980 --> 01:22:25,230
techniques of magic you know turn them

1735
01:22:30,140 --> 01:22:27,990
into an enlightened sage that's what

1736
01:22:33,230 --> 01:22:30,150
deep thought alchemy was and he'd really

1737
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:33,240
spent a lot of time trying to interest

1738
01:22:38,270 --> 01:22:34,980
not just Elizabeth but all the Monarchs

1739
01:22:39,650 --> 01:22:38,280
of Europe and this idea and they weren't

1740
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:39,660
very interested in spiritual

1741
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:41,040
enlightenment they just wanted to know

1742
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:43,770
if he could produce gold but you know he

1743
01:22:48,050 --> 01:22:46,170
was he was above that you know so

1744
01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:48,060
there's a there's another part of

1745
01:22:53,980 --> 01:22:50,910
alchemy that that scares me

1746
01:22:56,570 --> 01:22:53,990
and that's the part that we you I

1747
01:22:59,540 --> 01:22:56,580
everybody out that we we know absolutely

1748
01:23:01,010 --> 01:22:59,550
nothing about that's the part of the

1749
01:23:04,730 --> 01:23:01,020
health degree that freaks me out I was

1750
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:04,740
sitting with a great researcher and we

1751
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:07,280
were in a restaurant here in Los Angeles

1752
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:09,690
at night there's you know it's a couple

1753
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:12,480
hundred people there at a hotel and he

1754
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:14,340
he turns and he whispers to me and goes

1755
01:23:24,670 --> 01:23:18,510
hey Jimmy right now there was somebody

1756
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:28,730
was it was it George Burns it was George

1757
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:31,290
actually and and so but that's the part

1758
01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:34,110
of alchemy it you know you're right

1759
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:35,400
about that you know turning lead into

1760
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,130
gold and that's that's on the surface

1761
01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:40,800
and that's you know the popular urban

1762
01:23:44,060 --> 01:23:42,600
legend and you know about alchemy and

1763
01:23:46,379 --> 01:23:44,070
and that's what they pursued there's no

1764
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:46,389
doubt about that

1765
01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:50,170
did you go talk to this person oh man of

1766
01:23:56,490 --> 01:23:54,340
course what's what what to do

1767
01:24:03,720 --> 01:23:56,500
I'll have this conversation with you off

1768
01:24:06,540 --> 01:24:03,730
of the air I told part of this story

1769
01:24:10,590 --> 01:24:06,550
before in the air and but let me I'll

1770
01:24:12,359 --> 01:24:10,600
say this Rita and I so we're sitting at

1771
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:12,369
this table and there's a few few people

1772
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:15,250
there that you know right okay it's not

1773
01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:19,570
that big so we're sitting and and he you

1774
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:20,980
know starts to talk and read and I

1775
01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:23,290
leaned in and it goes okay I said look

1776
01:24:29,729 --> 01:24:27,580
man give me the secret stuff because

1777
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:29,739
alright I'll share something with you

1778
01:24:38,189 --> 01:24:34,000
and he tells us this story of one of the

1779
01:24:42,620 --> 01:24:38,199
ceremonies right and alchemy and ten

1780
01:24:46,530 --> 01:24:42,630
minutes later I felt like it was so

1781
01:24:51,959 --> 01:24:46,540
stunning to me it felt like an ice pick

1782
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:51,969
in the forehead i sat there stunned I

1783
01:25:01,830 --> 01:24:58,330
had never heard the most extreme Kubrick

1784
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:01,840
scene of any movie nothing in comparison

1785
01:25:06,419 --> 01:25:04,000
to what was going through my head at

1786
01:25:10,169 --> 01:25:06,429
that moment it was it was really cool it

1787
01:25:12,570 --> 01:25:10,179
was it was it was discussed four days

1788
01:25:14,729 --> 01:25:12,580
after that so I'll tell you I'll tell

1789
01:25:17,850 --> 01:25:14,739
you some of it off of the air I love it

1790
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:17,860
we'll do the secret handshakes yes and

1791
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:20,170
that's the part of alchemy because there

1792
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:23,610
when you get into Falken Ellie and and

1793
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:26,800
and and some of the modern sides of

1794
01:25:34,620 --> 01:25:31,560
alchemy I truly believe that right now

1795
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:34,630
on this planet they have a place where

1796
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:37,690
they get together and it's a secret and

1797
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:41,050
it's probably some mansion or castle in

1798
01:25:47,340 --> 01:25:43,750
Romania I don't know you know as a fact

1799
01:25:49,109 --> 01:25:47,350
but where that we absolutely know

1800
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:49,119
nothing about and it's meant to be that

1801
01:25:53,939 --> 01:25:52,210
way and that's and that's I'll tell you

1802
01:25:55,890 --> 01:25:53,949
man like I spent a lot of time in India

1803
01:25:57,300 --> 01:25:55,900
like they know all that stuff there and

1804
01:25:59,260 --> 01:25:57,310
they'll tell you start you know I went

1805
01:26:01,120 --> 01:25:59,270
up into the Himalayas mmm it's

1806
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:01,130
10,000 feet up and you know they'll tell

1807
01:26:04,450 --> 01:26:02,570
you stories about people that have been

1808
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:04,460
well I probably shouldn't say too much

1809
01:26:07,660 --> 01:26:05,930
stuff on the air but they know all that

1810
01:26:10,420 --> 01:26:07,670
stuff you know the secrets of mercury

1811
01:26:12,340 --> 01:26:10,430
and and an alchemy and it may have come

1812
01:26:14,830 --> 01:26:12,350
from India originally you know there's

1813
01:26:17,620 --> 01:26:14,840
unbroken lines of research over there

1814
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:17,630
yeah that goes back a see the thing is

1815
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:20,930
about India the reason why nothing looks

1816
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:24,650
old there you know like like Giza right

1817
01:26:28,230 --> 01:26:25,970
it's they've been building and

1818
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:28,240
rebuilding and painting and rebuilding

1819
01:26:33,550 --> 01:26:31,070
those sacred sites and temples unbroken

1820
01:26:34,900 --> 01:26:33,560
for thousands and thousands of years and

1821
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:34,910
they're currently occupied

1822
01:26:38,710 --> 01:26:37,070
oh yeah and so that's that's that's

1823
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:38,720
what's really cool I'm gonna ask you

1824
01:26:44,050 --> 01:26:41,690
really quick before the break you said

1825
01:26:47,140 --> 01:26:44,060
that hermetica we've got three minutes

1826
01:26:49,540 --> 01:26:47,150
you said that harmonica took humanity

1827
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:49,550
out of the dark ages can you expand on

1828
01:26:58,030 --> 01:26:53,690
that well in the sense that Hermeticism

1829
01:27:00,760 --> 01:26:58,040
was what hermeticism did was create a

1830
01:27:03,010 --> 01:27:00,770
secret underground tradition of people

1831
01:27:04,630 --> 01:27:03,020
who were investigating and making

1832
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:04,640
experiments into the nature of reality

1833
01:27:11,530 --> 01:27:09,170
outside of church domination and what

1834
01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:11,540
emerged from that were secret societies

1835
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:14,110
like Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry

1836
01:27:21,490 --> 01:27:18,320
which formed kind of covert associations

1837
01:27:24,940 --> 01:27:21,500
of free thinkers and without that

1838
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:24,950
network you know without on one hand the

1839
01:27:29,130 --> 01:27:26,930
ability to associate with other free

1840
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:29,140
thinkers in secret and on the other hand

1841
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:31,850
to try to be associated with those

1842
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:34,400
people to try to come up with a way to

1843
01:27:39,460 --> 01:27:36,650
not just explore reality but perhaps

1844
01:27:42,940 --> 01:27:39,470
even change it and manipulate it well

1845
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:42,950
that's how science happened and science

1846
01:27:47,980 --> 01:27:46,370
of course dragged Europe out of the Dark

1847
01:27:49,570 --> 01:27:47,990
Ages and it probably wouldn't happen in

1848
01:27:51,970 --> 01:27:49,580
England without john d in the sense that

1849
01:27:53,860 --> 01:27:51,980
john dee was the great scientific

1850
01:27:57,730 --> 01:27:53,870
educator of england he brought all the

1851
01:28:00,670 --> 01:27:57,740
scientific knowledge from the continent

1852
01:28:02,860 --> 01:28:00,680
to england he he founded the biggest

1853
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:02,870
library of the time five times the size

1854
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:04,850
of Cambridge in Oxford he tirelessly

1855
01:28:09,610 --> 01:28:07,490
taught mathematics and optics to the new

1856
01:28:11,770 --> 01:28:09,620
generation the generation that would go

1857
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:11,780
on to found modern science

1858
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:14,690
and so but it's all one continuum and

1859
01:28:18,010 --> 01:28:16,310
that's the mind-blowing thing that's the

1860
01:28:20,020 --> 01:28:18,020
thing that people don't realize you know

1861
01:28:21,550 --> 01:28:20,030
this idea of Hermeticism and magic can

1862
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:21,560
we understand reality and then

1863
01:28:25,540 --> 01:28:22,850
manipulate it through the right

1864
01:28:26,860 --> 01:28:25,550
procedures that became science they're

1865
01:28:30,340 --> 01:28:26,870
not two different things it's a

1866
01:28:32,650 --> 01:28:30,350
continuum of inquiry and it was of

1867
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:32,660
course I I think science that really did

1868
01:28:38,230 --> 01:28:36,410
turn the lights on in in Western

1869
01:28:40,990 --> 01:28:38,240
civilization now unfortunately as time

1870
01:28:42,910 --> 01:28:41,000
went on spirituality in the realm of

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what we might call the soul or

1872
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consciousness well that got separated

1873
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out and kind of thrown out with the

1874
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bathwater and now we have kind of the

1875
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stepped down field of psychology which

1876
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you know is great but is not in at least

1877
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in my opinion nowhere near as deep or

1878
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satisfying as the the hermetic an occult

1879
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tradition in terms of understanding what

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human beings are and why we're here

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argh and mind our guest tonight Jason

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Lou we're talking about his new book and

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listening to Jim E church this is a

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welcome back fade to black our guest

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01:33:31,020 --> 01:33:29,619
tonight Jason Louv and this segment of

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listen let's jump ahead the the the book

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is an amazing read for everybody and and

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it's very comprehensive it's very

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01:34:00,810 --> 01:33:58,360
detailed and your writing style by the

1967
01:34:02,969 --> 01:34:00,820
way all I wanted to ask you about your

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01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:02,979
writing style before we get back to the

1969
01:34:09,839 --> 01:34:06,070
conversation where'd you learn to write

1970
01:34:12,299 --> 01:34:09,849
where did you go to school well I mean I

1971
01:34:13,469 --> 01:34:12,309
started writing when I was you know four

1972
01:34:16,979 --> 01:34:13,479
or five years old and haven't stopped

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01:34:18,839 --> 01:34:16,989
since so well I went to school at the I

1974
01:34:21,239 --> 01:34:18,849
studied journalism English and

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01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:21,249
journalism at UC Santa Cruz right now

1976
01:34:29,339 --> 01:34:24,840
and also at King's College in London it

1977
01:34:32,989 --> 01:34:29,349
it shows the writing style is a man man

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01:34:36,330 --> 01:34:32,999
it's like you know I I feel almost

1979
01:34:40,459 --> 01:34:36,340
intimidated but the the writing style is

1980
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:40,469
very fluid and I like I like the the

1981
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:45,280
comprehensive deep black and white style

1982
01:34:49,410 --> 01:34:47,440
and that's exactly what this book is so

1983
01:34:54,660 --> 01:34:49,420
I feel like it was written for me it's a

1984
01:34:57,149 --> 01:34:54,670
it's just really well done now the

1985
01:35:02,700 --> 01:34:57,159
period let's jump ahead let's get off of

1986
01:35:03,899 --> 01:35:02,710
Edward and the crystal ball for a second

1987
01:35:06,209 --> 01:35:03,909
I want to jump ahead from that oh I

1988
01:35:10,379 --> 01:35:06,219
wanted to ask you do you have a scrying

1989
01:35:12,020 --> 01:35:10,389
mirror well I've used all kinds of

1990
01:35:15,989 --> 01:35:12,030
things for scrying I mean you can use

1991
01:35:17,609 --> 01:35:15,999
crystals you can use actually you could

1992
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:17,619
the easiest thing is just put some black

1993
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:20,050
coffee in a cup and use that but a

1994
01:35:24,540 --> 01:35:21,760
really great thing you can do another

1995
01:35:26,729 --> 01:35:24,550
thing you can do is take a go to

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01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:26,739
Goodwill or something and buy a picture

1997
01:35:30,419 --> 01:35:28,690
frame for five dollars just like an you

1998
01:35:33,149 --> 01:35:30,429
know like a discarded picture right I

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01:35:35,580 --> 01:35:33,159
take out take the glass out and spray

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01:35:37,879 --> 01:35:35,590
black reflective spray paint on the back

2001
01:35:39,770 --> 01:35:37,889
let it dry and then put it back in

2002
01:35:42,830 --> 01:35:39,780
frame and you've got yourself a screamer

2003
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:42,840
but you didn't answer the question yes

2004
01:35:47,389 --> 01:35:46,169
do you have this crying Mir Strang

2005
01:35:50,060 --> 01:35:47,399
crystal yeah

2006
01:35:54,109 --> 01:35:50,070
now what about a giant crystal skull

2007
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:54,119
like I'm holding up to the camera oh is

2008
01:35:59,239 --> 01:35:57,090
that are they on eBay anyone got a link

2009
01:36:02,679 --> 01:35:59,249
not not this one not the one I'm holding

2010
01:36:07,629 --> 01:36:02,689
up here I'll show it to you one day nice

2011
01:36:10,339 --> 01:36:07,639
now back to scrying mirrors I was

2012
01:36:14,959 --> 01:36:10,349
offered one a couple of years ago from

2013
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:14,969
from a friend and one reason or another

2014
01:36:23,839 --> 01:36:21,689
didn't happen but it the idea on its use

2015
01:36:25,659 --> 01:36:23,849
kind of freaked me out a little bit in

2016
01:36:28,399 --> 01:36:25,669
that I don't know if I could control it

2017
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:28,409
right that's my thing I don't know if I

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01:36:35,659 --> 01:36:32,760
could control it because once I would

2019
01:36:37,370 --> 01:36:35,669
get involved with it I think that it

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01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:37,380
would be something that would be beyond

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01:36:43,100 --> 01:36:40,489
me well I think that's a valid

2022
01:36:44,899 --> 01:36:43,110
perception and and honestly that's why I

2023
01:36:48,020 --> 01:36:44,909
magic exists you know all of the

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01:36:50,359 --> 01:36:48,030
rigmarole of ceremonial magic and

2025
01:36:53,299 --> 01:36:50,369
hermeticism and the precise nature of

2026
01:36:55,279 --> 01:36:53,309
the rituals that stuff exists to control

2027
01:36:58,100 --> 01:36:55,289
it it's you know magic is kind of like a

2028
01:37:00,020 --> 01:36:58,110
programming language for dying up just

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01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:00,030
the parts of the spiritual world you

2030
01:37:05,540 --> 01:37:03,090
want to talk to so the mistake that most

2031
01:37:07,879 --> 01:37:05,550
people make is they approach Ouija

2032
01:37:10,339 --> 01:37:07,889
boards or scrying or channeling or

2033
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:10,349
whatever it is and they just go they go

2034
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:13,130
in cold you know no protection and

2035
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:15,449
they're thoughtless wait for anything to

2036
01:37:19,429 --> 01:37:16,800
come through and that's why they often

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01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:19,439
get misleading or right right you know

2038
01:37:25,459 --> 01:37:22,169
in ineffective or even malevolent

2039
01:37:28,879 --> 01:37:25,469
perhaps in really you know rare but but

2040
01:37:30,469 --> 01:37:28,889
bad cases information or activity and

2041
01:37:32,029 --> 01:37:30,479
that's where all this horror movie stuff

2042
01:37:34,969 --> 01:37:32,039
comes from but in the real world it's

2043
01:37:37,310 --> 01:37:34,979
not nearly that dramatic but magic is

2044
01:37:39,139 --> 01:37:37,320
all about you know it's almost like a

2045
01:37:40,489 --> 01:37:39,149
programming language for that stuff the

2046
01:37:41,839 --> 01:37:40,499
same goes for psychedelics you know

2047
01:37:44,810 --> 01:37:41,849
people go straight into this stuff

2048
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:44,820
without without knowing what they're

2049
01:37:49,929 --> 01:37:47,449
doing and magic provides the science of

2050
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:49,939
interacting with those things in a

2051
01:37:53,180 --> 01:37:51,210
logical

2052
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:53,190
pay forward and clean and clearer way

2053
01:37:59,540 --> 01:37:56,130
I'll tell you something funny

2054
01:38:02,330 --> 01:37:59,550
this crystal skull here which is

2055
01:38:05,570 --> 01:38:02,340
ginormous right here it is and we were

2056
01:38:10,729 --> 01:38:05,580
doing which I'd never done before the

2057
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:10,739
uninitiated right and so was a crystal

2058
01:38:16,130 --> 01:38:13,920
skull ceremony and so I sit down with

2059
01:38:18,440 --> 01:38:16,140
some friends and this skull was sitting

2060
01:38:20,780 --> 01:38:18,450
in front of me and I sit down

2061
01:38:23,390 --> 01:38:20,790
being the doofus that I am hey what are

2062
01:38:26,630 --> 01:38:23,400
you guys doing can I come hang out right

2063
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:26,640
so I sit down and we go through the

2064
01:38:34,370 --> 01:38:31,650
ceremony and this skull as I pick it up

2065
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:34,380
and I'm holding it in my hand and I as

2066
01:38:40,580 --> 01:38:36,810
sure as I'm sitting here talking to you

2067
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:40,590
this is what happened the skull goes my

2068
01:38:51,380 --> 01:38:47,730
name is Jose right in my head yeah and I

2069
01:38:55,100 --> 01:38:51,390
and I was like what and I just said to

2070
01:38:59,810 --> 01:38:55,110
everybody I go dude the skull just said

2071
01:39:02,360 --> 01:38:59,820
his name was Jose and that's it and Jose

2072
01:39:05,420 --> 01:39:02,370
was gifted to me and he's been mine ever

2073
01:39:08,660 --> 01:39:05,430
since and and he sits in here with me in

2074
01:39:09,790 --> 01:39:08,670
the bunker told you anything else that's

2075
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:09,800
personal

2076
01:39:14,990 --> 01:39:12,719
okay well I'll tell you what I've told

2077
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:15,000
this story many times but this is what

2078
01:39:21,650 --> 01:39:20,250
happened the audience is is is going ok

2079
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:21,660
here we go but this is what happened so

2080
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:25,010
that night after he names himself right

2081
01:39:33,050 --> 01:39:30,000
Rita and I go into our hotel room and we

2082
01:39:37,070 --> 01:39:33,060
sit down it's about midnight or so 1:00

2083
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:37,080
in the morning midnight and and we had a

2084
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,410
bunch of food we're eating in bed and we

2085
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:42,239
had chicken wings and we had you know

2086
01:39:46,250 --> 01:39:44,250
hotel food that we had delivered right

2087
01:39:52,220 --> 01:39:46,260
you know whatever the late night menu

2088
01:39:57,530 --> 01:39:52,230
but next to me on the nightstand to my

2089
01:40:01,220 --> 01:39:57,540
left I have two bottles two big bottles

2090
01:40:02,750 --> 01:40:01,230
of dr. pepper and I couldn't order

2091
01:40:04,260 --> 01:40:02,760
anything healthy off of the late night

2092
01:40:07,410 --> 01:40:04,270
many right so I ordered

2093
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:07,420
you know dr. pepper whatever and so the

2094
01:40:13,620 --> 01:40:10,930
bottles are sitting on my nightstand to

2095
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:13,630
my left and Rita and I so we bring the

2096
01:40:19,860 --> 01:40:16,480
crystals go in bed and he's sitting

2097
01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:19,870
there and I turned to Rita and I go so

2098
01:40:23,490 --> 01:40:21,460
Howard the chicken wings and she's

2099
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:23,500
literally biting into a chicken wing and

2100
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:27,280
then all of a sudden like what was that

2101
01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:31,210
and I look to my left and one of the dr.

2102
01:40:36,780 --> 01:40:35,260
pepper bottles is gone and I looked over

2103
01:40:40,260 --> 01:40:36,790
on the other side of the there it is

2104
01:40:42,570 --> 01:40:40,270
it's on the floor and I pick it up and I

2105
01:40:44,700 --> 01:40:42,580
thought wow that's weird it slid off how

2106
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:44,710
could it slide off what right and it's

2107
01:40:52,170 --> 01:40:49,210
full and I put it back on the nightstand

2108
01:40:55,530 --> 01:40:52,180
and I turned to Rita and I said so how

2109
01:40:58,830 --> 01:40:55,540
are those chicken wings and I wanna know

2110
01:41:02,040 --> 01:40:58,840
and I turned and the dr. pepper is gone

2111
01:41:05,250 --> 01:41:02,050
again and now I'm talking about it's a

2112
01:41:07,950 --> 01:41:05,260
foot from the edge by the way it's not

2113
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:07,960
like on the edge you know I pick it up

2114
01:41:13,229 --> 01:41:10,210
and I said that was weird

2115
01:41:16,860 --> 01:41:13,239
and I put it back on the nightstand now

2116
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:16,870
I back it up and and now it's in the

2117
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:20,410
center of the nightstand and I turned to

2118
01:41:31,260 --> 01:41:23,410
Rita and I said so how about those

2119
01:41:34,740 --> 01:41:31,270
chicken wings and I read it I didn't

2120
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:34,750
even want to turn around I didn't and I

2121
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:37,210
said if that dr. pepper is on the floor

2122
01:41:43,260 --> 01:41:39,330
and I turn around and look and it was

2123
01:41:45,630 --> 01:41:43,270
gone and I didn't leaned over on the bed

2124
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:45,640
and I picked it up and I put it back on

2125
01:41:49,650 --> 01:41:46,690
the nightstand

2126
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:49,660
I took the crystal skull and I moved it

2127
01:41:55,890 --> 01:41:52,930
to the other side of the room and put it

2128
01:41:56,459 --> 01:41:55,900
on the table I said man Jose that's not

2129
01:41:59,310 --> 01:41:56,469
cool man

2130
01:42:02,160 --> 01:41:59,320
and I put him on the dresser and let him

2131
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:02,170
sit and the dr. pepper didn't fall for

2132
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:04,690
the rest of the night oh oh no no I take

2133
01:42:10,350 --> 01:42:08,080
that back Rita in the morning it was on

2134
01:42:13,140 --> 01:42:10,360
the floor right I'll have to have her

2135
01:42:15,420 --> 01:42:13,150
text in I think it was on the floor in

2136
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,430
the morning but but it was weird and it

2137
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:17,440
was just like a minute apart who

2138
01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:20,290
and I thank goodness I didn't see it do

2139
01:42:25,140 --> 01:42:22,510
it that would have that would have put

2140
01:42:29,100 --> 01:42:25,150
me over the edge so yeah yeah there's a

2141
01:42:30,900 --> 01:42:29,110
little juice here in in Jose well this

2142
01:42:32,670 --> 01:42:30,910
has now become like an inadvertent li

2143
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:32,680
become the greatest commercial for dr.

2144
01:42:36,810 --> 01:42:34,000
pepper ever because now we know what

2145
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:36,820
spirits want it specifically dr. pepper

2146
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:37,600
you know what

2147
01:42:43,110 --> 01:42:41,170
so the next day I'm speaking and I share

2148
01:42:47,370 --> 01:42:43,120
this story there's like five hundred

2149
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:47,380
people in front of me and and I tell the

2150
01:42:52,230 --> 01:42:49,600
story to everybody

2151
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:52,240
Oh Rita said we left it on the floor the

2152
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,210
third time that's what that's right

2153
01:42:59,550 --> 01:42:57,520
that's right she's right I didn't choose

2154
01:43:01,080 --> 01:42:59,560
to move it back up to the nightstand

2155
01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:01,090
that's what it was and the third time it

2156
01:43:07,260 --> 01:43:03,490
stayed on the floor so the next day I

2157
01:43:10,050 --> 01:43:07,270
tell the story to a huge room full of

2158
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:10,060
people after I let the stage I had

2159
01:43:15,570 --> 01:43:12,370
people coming up to me going it was it

2160
01:43:16,250 --> 01:43:15,580
was Jose telling you not to drink dr.

2161
01:43:19,550 --> 01:43:16,260
pepper

2162
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:19,560
[Laughter]

2163
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,000
no maybe he wanted you to pour about

2164
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:24,960
like a little glass of dr. pepper I

2165
01:43:30,630 --> 01:43:27,520
challenge you to pour some dr. pepper

2166
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:30,640
out in a glass for and offer it to Jose

2167
01:43:34,050 --> 01:43:32,410
and maybe put some incense or something

2168
01:43:36,180 --> 01:43:34,060
and just just see what happens I'll do

2169
01:43:37,890 --> 01:43:36,190
it I'll do it I'll do they like that it

2170
01:43:39,630 --> 01:43:37,900
gets I mean like imagine not having a

2171
01:43:41,700 --> 01:43:39,640
body people get cold and hungry out

2172
01:43:43,890 --> 01:43:41,710
there in the spirit world yes it is the

2173
01:43:45,900 --> 01:43:43,900
biggest one a little you know one a

2174
01:43:48,990 --> 01:43:45,910
little little dr. pepper yeah a little

2175
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:49,000
uh a little glucose fix little de frutos

2176
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:51,730
little corn syrup those are the secrets

2177
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:54,010
of the occult right there dr. D from dr.

2178
01:43:58,110 --> 01:43:56,170
D to dr. pepper yeah see it'll keep you

2179
01:44:03,000 --> 01:43:58,120
alive forever that's the answer to

2180
01:44:06,530 --> 01:44:03,010
alchemy corn syrup live forever okay so

2181
01:44:09,300 --> 01:44:06,540
back to John D so that period after

2182
01:44:12,780 --> 01:44:09,310
Edward oh it's you know John D is no

2183
01:44:14,910 --> 01:44:12,790
longer with us right that period or is

2184
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:14,920
he was right right right right right

2185
01:44:24,630 --> 01:44:15,730
right

2186
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:24,640
how long did his did his work with the

2187
01:44:28,380 --> 01:44:26,530
communication with the angels and and

2188
01:44:30,089 --> 01:44:28,390
all of his notes and stuff did that

2189
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,099
immediately go into

2190
01:44:36,540 --> 01:44:32,560
those different occult societies and

2191
01:44:38,250 --> 01:44:36,550
circles or was it later picked up that

2192
01:44:40,399 --> 01:44:38,260
actually did I mean the Rosicrucians

2193
01:44:43,050 --> 01:44:40,409
have the Rosicrucian manifestoes

2194
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:43,060
began circulating I think or not you

2195
01:44:47,729 --> 01:44:44,770
know not more than five years after

2196
01:44:49,709 --> 01:44:47,739
Dee's death and the Rosen Rosicrucian

2197
01:44:53,609 --> 01:44:49,719
manifestoes were a series of three

2198
01:44:55,290 --> 01:44:53,619
documents that straight view appear and

2199
01:44:57,839 --> 01:44:55,300
a European underground in the early

2200
01:45:00,450 --> 01:44:57,849
1600s that said you know there's this

2201
01:45:02,310 --> 01:45:00,460
secret society of Invisibles out there

2202
01:45:05,310 --> 01:45:02,320
who are investigating the secrets of

2203
01:45:09,500 --> 01:45:05,320
nature and want and and and the occult

2204
01:45:12,689 --> 01:45:09,510
and all you have to do to join us is

2205
01:45:14,819 --> 01:45:12,699
take some dramatic public action for

2206
01:45:17,700 --> 01:45:14,829
free saya for free thinking and reason

2207
01:45:20,189 --> 01:45:17,710
and claim it for the Rosicrucians not

2208
01:45:22,140 --> 01:45:20,199
yourself and so by doing that of course

2209
01:45:24,750 --> 01:45:22,150
now people started doing this all over

2210
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:24,760
Europe and creating like a magic trick

2211
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:27,010
creating the Rosicrucians out of nothing

2212
01:45:31,050 --> 01:45:29,170
because even if it was a an urban legend

2213
01:45:33,930 --> 01:45:31,060
even if it didn't exist even in a real

2214
01:45:35,939 --> 01:45:33,940
at that point didn't exist it existed

2215
01:45:37,740 --> 01:45:35,949
now when people started trying to

2216
01:45:39,810 --> 01:45:37,750
contact the Rosicrucians and becoming

2217
01:45:41,790 --> 01:45:39,820
the Rosicrucians in the process and by

2218
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:41,800
the way some of the people who did this

2219
01:45:47,660 --> 01:45:45,489
were Rene Descartes I believe Isaac

2220
01:45:50,069 --> 01:45:47,670
Newton later on Francis Bacon definitely

2221
01:45:51,169 --> 01:45:50,079
you know many of the early scientists

2222
01:45:53,459 --> 01:45:51,179
but those Rosicrucian manifestoes

2223
01:45:55,589 --> 01:45:53,469
included a lot of these ideas they

2224
01:45:58,470 --> 01:45:55,599
included his hieroglyphic monad symbol

2225
01:46:00,089 --> 01:45:58,480
they included you know when Francis

2226
01:46:03,089 --> 01:46:00,099
Bacon started to roll with that and

2227
01:46:05,609 --> 01:46:03,099
wrote a book called a New Atlantis where

2228
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:05,619
he said that the new world should be

2229
01:46:11,609 --> 01:46:09,489
colonized as a Rosicrucian country full

2230
01:46:13,379 --> 01:46:11,619
of free thinkers who can pursue

2231
01:46:16,260 --> 01:46:13,389
religious liberty away from the church

2232
01:46:18,899 --> 01:46:16,270
which by the way that myth became real

2233
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:18,909
in the filming of America by the Free

2234
01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:22,449
Masonic founding fathers Freemasonry

2235
01:46:28,319 --> 01:46:23,710
also directly connected to the

2236
01:46:30,750 --> 01:46:28,329
Rosicrucianism at this time well this

2237
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:30,760
was all straight out of DS work in his

2238
01:46:34,700 --> 01:46:32,650
thinking and his spiritual ideas and the

2239
01:46:37,370 --> 01:46:34,710
stuff that came out of the angelic

2240
01:46:41,220 --> 01:46:37,380
sessions and you know his ideas about

2241
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:41,230
empire all started to circulate right

2242
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:43,250
away and

2243
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:46,250
you know having a huge impact huge huge

2244
01:46:56,500 --> 01:46:52,400
huge the the movement of John Dee

2245
01:46:59,140 --> 01:46:56,510
through these circles I will say I don't

2246
01:47:02,340 --> 01:46:59,150
like to say a cult because he influenced

2247
01:47:07,260 --> 01:47:02,350
others too as well but was the movement

2248
01:47:10,840 --> 01:47:07,270
quick I mean was it accepted right away

2249
01:47:13,390 --> 01:47:10,850
it was quick for its time period there

2250
01:47:15,310 --> 01:47:13,400
was of course a lot of pushback also but

2251
01:47:16,930 --> 01:47:15,320
what you have to kind of the way that I

2252
01:47:19,060 --> 01:47:16,940
came to look at it where you have to

2253
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:19,070
think of here is it's kind of two

2254
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:22,850
competing gangs or or two competing

2255
01:47:27,070 --> 01:47:25,040
clusters of gangs who are competing for

2256
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,080
what reality is going to become at this

2257
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:29,600
time so on one side you have kind of the

2258
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:31,520
occult thinkers the free thinkers the

2259
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:34,730
early scientists the the Freemasons the

2260
01:47:38,710 --> 01:47:37,010
Rosicrucians and on the others high on

2261
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,720
the other side you have the Jesuits and

2262
01:47:43,240 --> 01:47:40,400
the Franciscans and the other Catholic

2263
01:47:47,140 --> 01:47:43,250
and Holy Orders who are doing everything

2264
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:47,150
that they can to stamp out this new

2265
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:49,520
rebellion this new movement towards free

2266
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:51,050
thinking and doing that either

2267
01:47:56,710 --> 01:47:54,050
physically brutally or through

2268
01:47:58,540 --> 01:47:56,720
propaganda by for instance spreading the

2269
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:58,550
rumor that Rosicrucians are all

2270
01:48:02,890 --> 01:48:01,040
Satanists and engaged in horrible rites

2271
01:48:04,750 --> 01:48:02,900
and sacrifice and all this stuff to

2272
01:48:08,350 --> 01:48:04,760
scare people away from these new ideas

2273
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:08,360
and what wasn't a cold war at that time

2274
01:48:15,610 --> 01:48:12,770
a gang war between two competing you

2275
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:15,620
know tribes of intellectuals basically

2276
01:48:20,890 --> 01:48:18,770
that culminated in the 30 Years War and

2277
01:48:23,220 --> 01:48:20,900
it just brutal just a horrible war that

2278
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:23,230
swept throughout Europe and and

2279
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:25,730
continues continued all the way up to

2280
01:48:29,170 --> 01:48:27,170
the 20th century I mean you know the

2281
01:48:30,910 --> 01:48:29,180
Catholics and the Protestants still

2282
01:48:36,250 --> 01:48:30,920
fighting brutally in places like

2283
01:48:37,780 --> 01:48:36,260
Northern Ireland sadly so but that's

2284
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:37,790
kind of what the deal was at the time

2285
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:40,000
but yeah those ideas spread very quickly

2286
01:48:43,810 --> 01:48:42,530
for their time period you know those

2287
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:43,820
before the internet but they had the

2288
01:48:48,010 --> 01:48:45,050
printing press and they were able to

2289
01:48:49,930 --> 01:48:48,020
publish pamphlets and and pass them

2290
01:48:52,420 --> 01:48:49,940
covertly and you know under the cover of

2291
01:48:54,549 --> 01:48:52,430
shadows from hand to hand of eager

2292
01:48:56,500 --> 01:48:54,559
seeker too eager seeker now

2293
01:48:59,489 --> 01:48:56,510
and the reason why I bring that up is I

2294
01:49:02,319 --> 01:48:59,499
was there push back and you always have

2295
01:49:03,819 --> 01:49:02,329
opposition no matter what and you have

2296
01:49:06,579 --> 01:49:03,829
people that are gonna challenge the

2297
01:49:08,909 --> 01:49:06,589
ideas for their own reasons whether it's

2298
01:49:13,569 --> 01:49:08,919
ego or maybe they have something valid

2299
01:49:17,919 --> 01:49:13,579
but it was their push back or was he

2300
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:17,929
just you know just given a Hall Pass

2301
01:49:21,969 --> 01:49:19,129
you know what I mean that it was just an

2302
01:49:24,369 --> 01:49:21,979
open door and they brought him in oh boy

2303
01:49:26,500 --> 01:49:24,379
was there ever pushback right when we're

2304
01:49:28,750 --> 01:49:26,510
talking about I mean again the jet when

2305
01:49:30,369 --> 01:49:28,760
Wendy and Kelly were in Prague they went

2306
01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:30,379
from England to Europe's try and spread

2307
01:49:35,649 --> 01:49:32,510
those ideas directly in Central Europe

2308
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:35,659
the Jesuits tried to kill them they had

2309
01:49:41,139 --> 01:49:39,199
tried to bring them to the Vatican to

2310
01:49:43,719 --> 01:49:41,149
probably to be tortured and killed they

2311
01:49:45,009 --> 01:49:43,729
tried to run off with all of their

2312
01:49:47,799 --> 01:49:45,019
manuscripts all their writing from the

2313
01:49:49,989 --> 01:49:47,809
angelic sessions and in fact there's a

2314
01:49:51,969 --> 01:49:49,999
there's a incredible story from this

2315
01:49:54,369 --> 01:49:51,979
time period where Dee and Kelly are

2316
01:49:58,270 --> 01:49:54,379
running this is unbelievable Dee and

2317
01:50:02,319 --> 01:49:58,280
Kelly are running from the Jesuit or the

2318
01:50:04,839 --> 01:50:02,329
the papal nuncio and and the angels

2319
01:50:07,540 --> 01:50:04,849
appear to them and they say burn all of

2320
01:50:10,089 --> 01:50:07,550
your spirit Diaries and they have 25

2321
01:50:11,649 --> 01:50:10,099
volumes of everything the Angels had

2322
01:50:13,899 --> 01:50:11,659
been saying to them over the last six or

2323
01:50:18,099 --> 01:50:13,909
seven years they're commanded to burn

2324
01:50:20,259 --> 01:50:18,109
them they burn them in the fireplace and

2325
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:20,269
it's like God telling them what to do in

2326
01:50:24,219 --> 01:50:22,159
their mind so they do it but they burn

2327
01:50:27,069 --> 01:50:24,229
all of this stuff so that it can't be

2328
01:50:29,500 --> 01:50:27,079
taken by the Jesuits and then a couple

2329
01:50:31,929 --> 01:50:29,510
months later Kelly is walking in a field

2330
01:50:34,329 --> 01:50:31,939
and he sees an apparition where there's

2331
01:50:38,109 --> 01:50:34,339
a guy moving with his feet hovering just

2332
01:50:40,779 --> 01:50:38,119
like a foot off the ground and hovers

2333
01:50:43,149 --> 01:50:40,789
over to a tree and then commands Kelly

2334
01:50:45,819 --> 01:50:43,159
to go back up to the fireplace where the

2335
01:50:48,189 --> 01:50:45,829
books were burned and which he does with

2336
01:50:50,829 --> 01:50:48,199
Dede and Kelly both go up there and then

2337
01:50:54,189 --> 01:50:50,839
they see a doorway of light open up in

2338
01:50:56,319 --> 01:50:54,199
the back of the fireplace and a spectral

2339
01:50:59,020 --> 01:50:56,329
hand you know this is what they say at

2340
01:51:00,909 --> 01:50:59,030
least a spectral hand reaches out of the

2341
01:51:03,489 --> 01:51:00,919
doorway of light and starts handing them

2342
01:51:05,739 --> 01:51:03,499
back the books one at a time until they

2343
01:51:07,239 --> 01:51:05,749
have all of them back and this is now

2344
01:51:08,140 --> 01:51:07,249
when they're out of danger of being

2345
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:08,150
killed

2346
01:51:12,220 --> 01:51:10,010
and they basically said you know we did

2347
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:12,230
this so they you you wouldn't be killed

2348
01:51:17,740 --> 01:51:14,570
by the jesuits and all of those books

2349
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:17,750
still exist so you know it's a pretty

2350
01:51:21,190 --> 01:51:19,610
hair-raising story is a credible story

2351
01:51:25,530 --> 01:51:21,200
it's an incredible story

2352
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:25,540
and as and when I read that in the book

2353
01:51:31,630 --> 01:51:29,210
there was a thought that went through my

2354
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:31,640
head about you know the last years of

2355
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:36,050
Dee's life were were tragic he lost his

2356
01:51:44,350 --> 01:51:40,850
mind and so now what do I do with this

2357
01:51:51,460 --> 01:51:47,560
this memory could it be something else

2358
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:51,470
here that is whatever I want to say that

2359
01:51:58,900 --> 01:51:56,210
that is being preserved for us today but

2360
01:52:00,940 --> 01:51:58,910
it couldn't have been something else you

2361
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:00,950
know and I know I don't want to speak

2362
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:03,770
critically of oaky but you know where

2363
01:52:09,460 --> 01:52:06,290
I'm going with this well deed did not

2364
01:52:11,170 --> 01:52:09,470
did not lose his mind he he had a lot of

2365
01:52:12,670 --> 01:52:11,180
tragedies in his life I mean in the

2366
01:52:16,180 --> 01:52:12,680
later part of his life after all this

2367
01:52:18,100 --> 01:52:16,190
ended he came back to England and he was

2368
01:52:20,650 --> 01:52:18,110
kind of put out to pasture in Manchester

2369
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:20,660
as an academic and the real tragedy of

2370
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:22,330
this time is that the plague hit

2371
01:52:27,850 --> 01:52:25,040
Manchester and he lost his wife and

2372
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:27,860
several of his children to the lake and

2373
01:52:33,580 --> 01:52:29,930
he finding he had financial struggles

2374
01:52:35,710 --> 01:52:33,590
and but he he was doing he was quite

2375
01:52:38,830 --> 01:52:35,720
sharp by the end he was doing very well

2376
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:38,840
he continued to do scrying to the end of

2377
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:41,090
his life he he certainly did not lose

2378
01:52:49,780 --> 01:52:47,570
his mind and he probably rose as high as

2379
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:49,790
he could have in society all considered

2380
01:52:55,480 --> 01:52:52,730
given you know anyone of his class and

2381
01:52:56,860 --> 01:52:55,490
background you know he rose as high as

2382
01:52:58,270 --> 01:52:56,870
he could have given his class in

2383
01:53:00,040 --> 01:52:58,280
background so that tell you what he

2384
01:53:02,020 --> 01:53:00,050
didn't do that bad and he certainly did

2385
01:53:05,230 --> 01:53:02,030
face tragedies but look you know it was

2386
01:53:07,390 --> 01:53:05,240
yeah it was like the early 1600s the

2387
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:07,400
late 1500s like life sucks then you know

2388
01:53:12,060 --> 01:53:10,010
nobody got off easy well that that's

2389
01:53:15,310 --> 01:53:12,070
interesting that to put it that way

2390
01:53:17,740 --> 01:53:15,320
because you know and I've you've read

2391
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:17,750
the same things that I've read there

2392
01:53:25,130 --> 01:53:23,730
some reports were that but what are the

2393
01:53:27,260 --> 01:53:25,140
words that I want to use when I say

2394
01:53:30,380 --> 01:53:27,270
insane it could be a lot of different

2395
01:53:33,260 --> 01:53:30,390
things so you're saying that he never he

2396
01:53:35,300 --> 01:53:33,270
never lost his faculties are funny and

2397
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:35,310
nothing like that nothing nothing like

2398
01:53:39,260 --> 01:53:37,170
that he did not have anything like

2399
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:39,270
Alzheimer's or dementia even like that

2400
01:53:43,700 --> 01:53:41,040
he was sharp as a tack to the end he was

2401
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:43,710
working as a as a professor and an

2402
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:45,450
academic you know he was never that

2403
01:53:49,700 --> 01:53:47,610
financially well-off but no there was

2404
01:53:52,510 --> 01:53:49,710
nothing of that sort

2405
01:53:54,770 --> 01:53:52,520
you know Kelly's a different issue Kelly

2406
01:53:58,880 --> 01:53:54,780
did probably did have mental health

2407
01:54:01,220 --> 01:53:58,890
issues along with alcoholism and a lot

2408
01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:01,230
of other stuff and Kelly met a much more

2409
01:54:07,820 --> 01:54:04,830
untimely end in that in the late after D

2410
01:54:10,340 --> 01:54:07,830
in Kelly's sessions in the late 15 80s

2411
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:10,350
when they were in Central Europe Kelly

2412
01:54:15,650 --> 01:54:12,330
was given an offer by the Holy Roman

2413
01:54:18,410 --> 01:54:15,660
Emperor to come and do alchemy for him

2414
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:18,420
and make gold and so he threw D under

2415
01:54:22,610 --> 01:54:20,730
the bus and said well I can do it myself

2416
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:22,620
I don't need John D I don't need my

2417
01:54:26,740 --> 01:54:24,000
mentor I've learned everything I can

2418
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:26,750
from him and he went off with Rudolph to

2419
01:54:31,700 --> 01:54:29,850
make his fortune but of course Rudolph

2420
01:54:33,860 --> 01:54:31,710
the Holy Roman Emperor decided just to

2421
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:33,870
throw him in prison and say well you

2422
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:35,370
know do it for free now because now

2423
01:54:40,910 --> 01:54:38,970
you're my prisoner and Kelly died

2424
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:40,920
shortly thereafter it's possible he may

2425
01:54:46,100 --> 01:54:43,050
have died jumping out of a window trying

2426
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:46,110
to escape prison and may have broken his

2427
01:54:50,630 --> 01:54:49,110
legs and died shortly thereafter so but

2428
01:54:52,220 --> 01:54:50,640
I wouldn't say that Kelly quite lost his

2429
01:54:54,410 --> 01:54:52,230
mind either although he definitely was

2430
01:54:56,540 --> 01:54:54,420
on the ropes during the sessions you

2431
01:54:58,880 --> 01:54:56,550
know you know what's interesting about

2432
01:55:01,250 --> 01:54:58,890
that period as we head into the break

2433
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:01,260
and I thought about this so much over

2434
01:55:07,670 --> 01:55:05,130
the years Rudolph the rumors are all

2435
01:55:10,190 --> 01:55:07,680
over Europe about Rudolph at that time

2436
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:10,200
right and and he's got money he's

2437
01:55:18,380 --> 01:55:13,050
spending it he's interested in all of

2438
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:18,390
this secret stuff and so in that element

2439
01:55:26,110 --> 01:55:22,170
where Kahneman is the way that I want to

2440
01:55:29,060 --> 01:55:26,120
use this term they they came out from

2441
01:55:31,220 --> 01:55:29,070
everywhere and once you start to spread

2442
01:55:33,110 --> 01:55:31,230
that out on the streets

2443
01:55:35,900 --> 01:55:33,120
everybody was heading to rudolph at that

2444
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:35,910
time weren't they yeah well I mean it's

2445
01:55:40,729 --> 01:55:38,239
just like now any time where there's a

2446
01:55:42,970 --> 01:55:40,739
you know an OP like a gold rush or an

2447
01:55:45,470 --> 01:55:42,980
opportunity for people to make money

2448
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:45,480
that's gonna happen and you know I think

2449
01:55:49,550 --> 01:55:47,330
it's very similar to today for instance

2450
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:49,560
blockchain and cryptocurrency perhaps

2451
01:55:53,180 --> 01:55:51,090
you know where there's this you know

2452
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:53,190
radical new technology has come out and

2453
01:55:56,570 --> 01:55:54,930
it's fascinating and revolutionary but

2454
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:56,580
there's a lot of hucksters in it in the

2455
01:55:59,870 --> 01:55:58,560
works also right in the mix it's the

2456
01:56:02,630 --> 01:55:59,880
same with alchemy I mean it you know

2457
01:56:04,610 --> 01:56:02,640
anyone could and because alchemy nobody

2458
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:04,620
really understood it similar to some

2459
01:56:08,780 --> 01:56:07,410
technology things now anyone could kind

2460
01:56:11,420 --> 01:56:08,790
of come out of the woodwork and say oh

2461
01:56:13,220 --> 01:56:11,430
yeah like you know I can I can make gold

2462
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:13,230
for you no problem just give me you know

2463
01:56:16,130 --> 01:56:14,610
ten million dollars to set up a

2464
01:56:18,350 --> 01:56:16,140
laboratory and then they vanish who

2465
01:56:20,510 --> 01:56:18,360
weekly never to be heard from again

2466
01:56:23,810 --> 01:56:20,520
there was a lot of that if the Rudolf

2467
01:56:26,060 --> 01:56:23,820
gold rush differ thought of it that way

2468
01:56:29,150 --> 01:56:26,070
but that's exactly how it was going down

2469
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:29,160
and if you were really good all you did

2470
01:56:33,650 --> 01:56:31,890
was delay you know I need a I need a

2471
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:33,660
couple of more months I need a couple of

2472
01:56:39,190 --> 01:56:35,010
more months I need a couple of more

2473
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:39,200
months and I'm close I'm close well it's

2474
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:44,130
it's like the perfect thing for for that

2475
01:56:49,130 --> 01:56:46,050
and for that period and for the big con

2476
01:56:51,229 --> 01:56:49,140
and and rough Rudolf when he got taken

2477
01:56:51,410 --> 01:56:51,239
to the ringer whew man take him through

2478
01:56:59,479 --> 01:56:51,420
it

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01:57:04,010 --> 01:56:59,489
back Jason let's let's go to where we

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01:57:06,140 --> 01:57:04,020
are today and and the modern era of all

2481
01:57:10,010 --> 01:57:06,150
of this we've got to discuss Crowley and

2482
01:57:12,040 --> 01:57:10,020
Anton LaVey and and the maybe even a

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01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:12,050
little of levansky are you down for that

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01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:14,610
totally let's do it this is fade to

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black I'm your host Amy Church our guest

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tonight Jason louvre and we're talking

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about his new book and the book is

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amazing I'm holding it over the camera

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01:57:26,810 --> 01:57:25,200
John Dee and the Empire of Angels check

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it out look how thick that is it's a

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all kinds of occult symbols and stuff I

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just forced you into it right there this

2597
02:02:42,330 --> 02:02:37,240
is this is what's crazy out of out of

2598
02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:42,340
the entire John Dee story and it is in

2599
02:02:47,550 --> 02:02:45,690
as incredible as anything out there

2600
02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:47,560
especially for people that love to

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02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:50,650
research like I do is this at the

2602
02:02:55,170 --> 02:02:52,930
beginning of the show tonight

2603
02:03:00,060 --> 02:02:55,180
one of the first tweets that came in

2604
02:03:01,740 --> 02:03:00,070
said John Dee the foundation of the NSA

2605
02:03:05,250 --> 02:03:01,750
right that was one of the first tweets

2606
02:03:09,090 --> 02:03:05,260
and and and somebody wrote that and it's

2607
02:03:11,700 --> 02:03:09,100
true and one of the quotes the famous

2608
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:11,710
you know our man Dee quote that came out

2609
02:03:17,310 --> 02:03:13,450
of the NSA we'll talk about that in a

2610
02:03:20,190 --> 02:03:17,320
second but I'm looking at right now I'm

2611
02:03:21,780 --> 02:03:20,200
at NSA dot gov right one of the

2612
02:03:26,610 --> 02:03:21,790
creepiest websites in the world

2613
02:03:29,670 --> 02:03:26,620
NSA dot gov and they have files and

2614
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:29,680
assets on John Dee and you can go and

2615
02:03:36,030 --> 02:03:33,850
read from the NSA on their own website

2616
02:03:40,050 --> 02:03:36,040
how crazy is that

2617
02:03:41,670 --> 02:03:40,060
oh yeah I mean Dee Dee was right there

2618
02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:41,680
again the original double-oh-seven

2619
02:03:47,370 --> 02:03:43,210
you know why how could they not love him

2620
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:47,380
he was he was responsible for creating

2621
02:03:53,190 --> 02:03:49,930
with Sir Francis Walsingham what became

2622
02:03:57,540 --> 02:03:53,200
mi5 and mi6 so the British intelligence

2623
02:03:59,550 --> 02:03:57,550
services and perhaps we might argue GCHQ

2624
02:04:02,700 --> 02:03:59,560
which is the British equivalent of the

2625
02:04:04,450 --> 02:04:02,710
NSA but absolutely the NSA and the CIA

2626
02:04:06,820 --> 02:04:04,460
both

2627
02:04:08,770 --> 02:04:06,830
studied him at length and I quote all

2628
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:08,780
that research in the book because it's

2629
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:12,050
publicly available but yeah you know

2630
02:04:15,250 --> 02:04:13,730
they were they were they were fascinated

2631
02:04:16,870 --> 02:04:15,260
with him because he's just like them you

2632
02:04:19,030 --> 02:04:16,880
know he was a spook he was a government

2633
02:04:24,270 --> 02:04:19,040
contractor you know so they're looking

2634
02:04:29,080 --> 02:04:24,280
to him you know as a kindred spirit this

2635
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:29,090
this document on NSA gov which is a

2636
02:04:35,140 --> 02:04:32,090
really fun read it's pretty amazing

2637
02:04:37,660 --> 02:04:35,150
but this there's this one line here and

2638
02:04:40,450 --> 02:04:37,670
I believe it's in the book too as well I

2639
02:04:42,970 --> 02:04:40,460
could be wrong you can correct me but

2640
02:04:46,390 --> 02:04:42,980
the the last sentence in one of these

2641
02:04:50,050 --> 02:04:46,400
paragraphs it was talking about D he was

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02:04:52,300 --> 02:04:50,060
all by himself a RAND Corporation for

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02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:52,310
the tooter government of Elizabeth end

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02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:53,410
quote

2645
02:04:58,180 --> 02:04:56,090
that is about as heavy as it gets

2646
02:05:00,780 --> 02:04:58,190
isn't that crazy yeah I mean that's what

2647
02:05:02,979 --> 02:05:00,790
the the conclusion the NSA came to him

2648
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:02,989
when they were researching him in the in

2649
02:05:09,190 --> 02:05:06,890
the 1960s 1967 I think this document

2650
02:05:11,590 --> 02:05:09,200
came out yeah and it was published

2651
02:05:14,890 --> 02:05:11,600
approved for release how would you like

2652
02:05:17,410 --> 02:05:14,900
to have this a document by jason louvre

2653
02:05:21,250 --> 02:05:17,420
on the NSA website that says approved

2654
02:05:24,750 --> 02:05:21,260
for release by the NSA 11:29 mm only

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02:05:28,390 --> 02:05:24,760
wonder without the consist transia

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02:05:31,260 --> 02:05:28,400
transparency case number six 385 to buy

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all my all my internet browser histories

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mad absolutely nuts

2659
02:05:41,620 --> 02:05:36,520
alright let's so let's go back the

2660
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:41,630
Theosophical society Blavatsky and what

2661
02:05:47,320 --> 02:05:44,570
was going on in the late 1800s at the

2662
02:05:50,830 --> 02:05:47,330
turn of the century it seemed like there

2663
02:05:55,209 --> 02:05:50,840
were a lot of these societies that were

2664
02:05:56,620 --> 02:05:55,219
forming based on a lot of ancient minted

2665
02:06:00,030 --> 02:05:56,630
when I say ancient you know going back

2666
02:06:03,100 --> 02:06:00,040
through ancient history and and and

2667
02:06:05,650 --> 02:06:03,110
alchemy and and different materials but

2668
02:06:06,570 --> 02:06:05,660
John Dee propped up a lot of these

2669
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:06,580
societies

2670
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:10,070
yeah well the Victorians were obsessed

2671
02:06:14,380 --> 02:06:11,840
with the occult you know they were

2672
02:06:15,910 --> 02:06:14,390
fascinated both in you know England and

2673
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:15,920
in America they were fascinated by

2674
02:06:21,130 --> 02:06:18,410
spiritualism by yes at the

2675
02:06:23,260 --> 02:06:21,140
Sophy Blavatsky they were fascinated

2676
02:06:24,490 --> 02:06:23,270
with Egyptology and by the way one of

2677
02:06:28,030 --> 02:06:24,500
the craziest things about this time

2678
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:28,040
period is ancient egypt was not even

2679
02:06:32,260 --> 02:06:30,290
unearthed until the Victorian period

2680
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:32,270
some people were just being exposed to

2681
02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:34,400
Egypt for the first time Egypt is kind

2682
02:06:39,250 --> 02:06:37,130
of a modern creation in a way what we

2683
02:06:41,170 --> 02:06:39,260
know about it and also Sumeria at this

2684
02:06:43,900 --> 02:06:41,180
time was just dug up out of a desert and

2685
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:43,910
nobody even knew that culture even

2686
02:06:48,940 --> 02:06:46,970
existed like go Bielecki Tepe or

2687
02:06:50,920 --> 02:06:48,950
something like that yeah it was

2688
02:06:52,510 --> 02:06:50,930
they had hints that it might have

2689
02:06:54,070 --> 02:06:52,520
existed in the Bible but until they

2690
02:06:56,440 --> 02:06:54,080
unearthed it nobody even knew that it

2691
02:06:59,200 --> 02:06:56,450
was there so all this stuff is being dug

2692
02:07:02,140 --> 02:06:59,210
up at this time and people are obsessed

2693
02:07:05,260 --> 02:07:02,150
with the spirit world you know people

2694
02:07:09,010 --> 02:07:05,270
were very goth at this time and of

2695
02:07:11,650 --> 02:07:09,020
course but in in him in that craze for

2696
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:11,660
spirituality which you know I might

2697
02:07:18,790 --> 02:07:15,290
argue spiritual crazes happen when there

2698
02:07:21,340 --> 02:07:18,800
are crisis points and civilizations when

2699
02:07:23,620 --> 02:07:21,350
people are uncertain about the future so

2700
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:23,630
I don't be so it's no surprise that

2701
02:07:28,690 --> 02:07:26,570
they've turned to other sources for

2702
02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:28,700
comfort or certainty and for instance

2703
02:07:33,130 --> 02:07:30,410
when the wall when the wall came down

2704
02:07:35,290 --> 02:07:33,140
and the Soviet Union fell that whole

2705
02:07:38,580 --> 02:07:35,300
generation of kids that grew up in the

2706
02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:38,590
former USSR were all fascinated with

2707
02:07:42,910 --> 02:07:41,210
psychic phenomena and the occult and

2708
02:07:45,190 --> 02:07:42,920
some of the most like turned on and

2709
02:07:47,290 --> 02:07:45,200
awake and spiritual people I've met in

2710
02:07:48,940 --> 02:07:47,300
my entire life come from the Eastern

2711
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:48,950
Bloc countries or grew up in that

2712
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:50,810
environment and so I don't think it's

2713
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:54,170
any surprise now where America is in the

2714
02:07:57,910 --> 02:07:56,330
West are in such turmoil the people are

2715
02:07:59,890 --> 02:07:57,920
interested in these things once again

2716
02:08:01,630 --> 02:07:59,900
and so at this time you know the British

2717
02:08:05,830 --> 02:08:01,640
Empire was kind of coming to an end the

2718
02:08:07,420 --> 02:08:05,840
Empire that D had founded was now coming

2719
02:08:09,370 --> 02:08:07,430
to an end and people were becoming

2720
02:08:11,500 --> 02:08:09,380
immersed in spiritualism and and the

2721
02:08:15,790 --> 02:08:11,510
occult to get some more some more

2722
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:15,800
certainty in their lives and but yeah so

2723
02:08:20,860 --> 02:08:18,650
the most interesting part of this entire

2724
02:08:22,570 --> 02:08:20,870
time in my opinion was a an occult

2725
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:22,580
society called the Hermetic order of the

2726
02:08:27,730 --> 02:08:25,040
Golden Dawn which included among its

2727
02:08:30,580 --> 02:08:27,740
members the poet WB Yeats the famous

2728
02:08:32,170 --> 02:08:30,590
actress Florence far Bram Stoker the

2729
02:08:34,210 --> 02:08:32,180
author of Dracula I

2730
02:08:36,670 --> 02:08:34,220
mr. Crowley the infamous magician a

2731
02:08:39,150 --> 02:08:36,680
couple of writers Horror Writers named

2732
02:08:46,210 --> 02:08:39,160
Algernon Blackwood and Arthur Mackin and

2733
02:08:49,150 --> 02:08:46,220
also Evans Wentz excuse me I'm kidding

2734
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:49,160
My Mind's blinking the the original

2735
02:08:53,860 --> 02:08:50,690
translator of the Egyptian Book of the

2736
02:08:56,710 --> 02:08:53,870
Dead Oh II a Wallis budge there we go

2737
02:08:59,530 --> 02:08:56,720
and so the primary Egyptologist of his

2738
02:09:01,930 --> 02:08:59,540
day and so it was all the top occult

2739
02:09:04,180 --> 02:09:01,940
thinkers of the time and it was the

2740
02:09:07,450 --> 02:09:04,190
leaders were named the founders were

2741
02:09:10,060 --> 02:09:07,460
named William Woodman William when when

2742
02:09:12,190 --> 02:09:10,070
Westcott and MacGregor Mathers all of

2743
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:12,200
whom were esoteric Freemasons who

2744
02:09:17,380 --> 02:09:13,970
decided they wanted to push it even

2745
02:09:20,410 --> 02:09:17,390
further and in doing that they claimed

2746
02:09:24,700 --> 02:09:20,420
that they had met a mysterious immortal

2747
02:09:27,220 --> 02:09:24,710
perhaps Rosicrucian or Rosic met Anna

2748
02:09:29,860 --> 02:09:27,230
Rose a crucian Brotherhood in Europe

2749
02:09:33,100 --> 02:09:29,870
that gave them documents that contain

2750
02:09:35,710 --> 02:09:33,110
these rituals magic rituals that formed

2751
02:09:37,480 --> 02:09:35,720
the and authority to form this occult

2752
02:09:38,350 --> 02:09:37,490
society this branch of the true

2753
02:09:40,210 --> 02:09:38,360
Rosicrucians

2754
02:09:42,970 --> 02:09:40,220
which again D is responsible for

2755
02:09:45,220 --> 02:09:42,980
creating way back when and they put

2756
02:09:46,900 --> 02:09:45,230
together this beautiful system where

2757
02:09:50,770 --> 02:09:46,910
they took all of the occult knowledge

2758
02:09:51,870 --> 02:09:50,780
available at that time which they kind

2759
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:51,880
of unearthed in the British Library

2760
02:09:59,950 --> 02:09:53,930
MacGregor matters did so they took

2761
02:10:02,560 --> 02:09:59,960
Kabbalah Tarot Egyptology geomancy and

2762
02:10:05,740 --> 02:10:02,570
Dee's Enochian magic and fit it all

2763
02:10:08,710 --> 02:10:05,750
together in this one intricate beautiful

2764
02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:08,720
system synthesizing all of the occult

2765
02:10:13,420 --> 02:10:10,400
knowledge that was available at the at

2766
02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:13,430
the day in during during that time but

2767
02:10:18,460 --> 02:10:16,250
the core of it was Enochian it was Dee's

2768
02:10:20,080 --> 02:10:18,470
system that was the dynamo the engine

2769
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:20,090
that ran the whole thing and that's what

2770
02:10:26,530 --> 02:10:22,880
the whole thing was meant to prepare its

2771
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:26,540
initiates to deal with which is Enochian

2772
02:10:31,120 --> 02:10:28,610
magic which is the system that Dee and

2773
02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:31,130
Kelly delivered right right and we I

2774
02:10:37,390 --> 02:10:33,650
don't know how the two of us managed to

2775
02:10:41,350 --> 02:10:37,400
blow past one of the most amazing parts

2776
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:41,360
of the scrying that they were doing

2777
02:10:50,750 --> 02:10:45,170
Kelly and D which was an

2778
02:10:52,940 --> 02:10:50,760
language and the translation of it we we

2779
02:10:56,090 --> 02:10:52,950
danced right past that so let's let's

2780
02:11:01,310 --> 02:10:56,100
spend a couple of minutes on that the

2781
02:11:03,170 --> 02:11:01,320
language that they were given yeah so so

2782
02:11:04,820 --> 02:11:03,180
of course to take it back to D and Kelly

2783
02:11:06,830 --> 02:11:04,830
they spent seven years talking to angels

2784
02:11:08,420 --> 02:11:06,840
and by the way when we talk about angels

2785
02:11:11,180 --> 02:11:08,430
most people think about you know

2786
02:11:13,490 --> 02:11:11,190
Hallmark cards rosy rosy cheeked Caribes

2787
02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:13,500
you know bringing you tidings of good

2788
02:11:17,420 --> 02:11:15,570
fortune well the Angels that Dee and

2789
02:11:19,390 --> 02:11:17,430
Kelly were act were interacting with or

2790
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:19,400
a whole other kettle of fish they were

2791
02:11:24,530 --> 02:11:21,690
something like you would see in Clive

2792
02:11:27,740 --> 02:11:24,540
Barker paintings or Hieronymus Bosch or

2793
02:11:30,860 --> 02:11:27,750
you know like the most surreal and and

2794
02:11:33,080 --> 02:11:30,870
visionary art and they're angels they

2795
02:11:37,460 --> 02:11:33,090
write about are like Giants with heads

2796
02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:37,470
of sons and you know angels with wings

2797
02:11:43,130 --> 02:11:39,930
upon wings coming out of their heads and

2798
02:11:46,190 --> 02:11:43,140
multiple pupils in each eye and at one

2799
02:11:49,370 --> 02:11:46,200
point they actually meet God and God is

2800
02:11:52,280 --> 02:11:49,380
not a man with a white beard up in the

2801
02:11:55,220 --> 02:11:52,290
clouds no when they saw God they report

2802
02:11:58,700 --> 02:11:55,230
seeing a giant whale covered with eyes

2803
02:12:02,020 --> 02:11:58,710
from head to toe can I can I hold the

2804
02:12:04,250 --> 02:12:02,030
William Blake painting up for the camera

2805
02:12:05,990 --> 02:12:04,260
because that's exactly what we're

2806
02:12:09,110 --> 02:12:06,000
talking about it was very it was very

2807
02:12:11,120 --> 02:12:09,120
Blake it is it was it was a you know

2808
02:12:13,340 --> 02:12:11,130
it's fan of human let's see if I can

2809
02:12:16,370 --> 02:12:13,350
hold this yeah there you go I'm holding

2810
02:12:18,170 --> 02:12:16,380
this up to the camera that is that that

2811
02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:18,180
painting stopped me in my tracks that

2812
02:12:23,600 --> 02:12:21,690
was and it's in color that's that's from

2813
02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:23,610
the book yeah

2814
02:12:32,390 --> 02:12:28,770
and so this translation happens and I

2815
02:12:36,500 --> 02:12:32,400
believe it was the first and only

2816
02:12:38,570 --> 02:12:36,510
translation of it right and and so in

2817
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:38,580
there are talks with these angels and

2818
02:12:42,050 --> 02:12:39,930
these supernatural beings they were

2819
02:12:45,290 --> 02:12:42,060
given what is now known as an Okie and

2820
02:12:49,460 --> 02:12:45,300
magic which is an elaborate occult

2821
02:12:51,470 --> 02:12:49,470
system meant for in theory anybody could

2822
02:12:54,500 --> 02:12:51,480
take it and use it to make contact with

2823
02:12:56,360 --> 02:12:54,510
the Angels directly without having to go

2824
02:12:57,979 --> 02:12:56,370
through a lot of the preliminaries that

2825
02:13:00,979 --> 02:12:57,989
Dee and Kelly did right

2826
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:00,989
and as and part of that is it was the

2827
02:13:05,770 --> 02:13:03,450
angelic language or what isn't what is

2828
02:13:08,270 --> 02:13:05,780
sometimes called Enochian which

2829
02:13:11,479 --> 02:13:08,280
purported they purported at least was

2830
02:13:14,270 --> 02:13:11,489
the language spoken by humanity before

2831
02:13:16,370 --> 02:13:14,280
the fall from Eden before the fall of

2832
02:13:18,830 --> 02:13:16,380
the Tower of Babel the language that is

2833
02:13:21,590 --> 02:13:18,840
spoken by Angels directly and a language

2834
02:13:23,150 --> 02:13:21,600
that perhaps could change reality itself

2835
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:23,160
if you spoke in and certainly will

2836
02:13:31,310 --> 02:13:28,130
change your consciousness and and that

2837
02:13:33,740 --> 02:13:31,320
became this delivered a call system

2838
02:13:37,190 --> 02:13:33,750
which is quite unique in Western history

2839
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:37,200
in the sense that it's not well if you

2840
02:13:42,110 --> 02:13:38,730
believe that they were really speaking

2841
02:13:44,570 --> 02:13:42,120
to angels then it is not a Nicolle

2842
02:13:47,060 --> 02:13:44,580
system that was pieced together by human

2843
02:13:48,410 --> 02:13:47,070
beings which is you know certainly the

2844
02:13:50,240 --> 02:13:48,420
more tradition or some of the later

2845
02:13:52,070 --> 02:13:50,250
hermetic stuff is all assembled in a

2846
02:13:53,330 --> 02:13:52,080
synthetic way by human beings on the

2847
02:13:56,840 --> 02:13:53,340
ground well no this was delivered

2848
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:56,850
top-down now what about when we talk

2849
02:14:04,550 --> 02:14:00,719
about Rosicrucians today is that a

2850
02:14:08,660 --> 02:14:04,560
watered down version of D or is it still

2851
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:08,670
is it still you know what was it's it's

2852
02:14:14,510 --> 02:14:12,930
still traditional is it accurate well

2853
02:14:16,580 --> 02:14:14,520
it's kind of two different things but

2854
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:16,590
I'll certainly argue and I argue in this

2855
02:14:23,120 --> 02:14:20,850
book that Enochian is really has been

2856
02:14:25,910 --> 02:14:23,130
the core of all of these things whether

2857
02:14:31,550 --> 02:14:25,920
it's Rosicrucianism or masonry or the

2858
02:14:33,650 --> 02:14:31,560
golden dawn and it's been the the center

2859
02:14:36,220 --> 02:14:33,660
you know the main event of Western

2860
02:14:42,590 --> 02:14:36,230
esotericism for the last 500 years

2861
02:14:44,479 --> 02:14:42,600
so with this going back to the turn of

2862
02:14:49,880 --> 02:14:44,489
the century and the Golden Dawn and

2863
02:14:54,229 --> 02:14:49,890
Blavatsky and and others the the

2864
02:14:56,330 --> 02:14:54,239
influence of D at that time I really

2865
02:15:00,950 --> 02:14:56,340
want to be clear on this was it the

2866
02:15:03,770 --> 02:15:00,960
version of D when Dee was alive or were

2867
02:15:06,500 --> 02:15:03,780
things lost in translation a lot was

2868
02:15:08,540 --> 02:15:06,510
lost in translation so first of all we

2869
02:15:12,110 --> 02:15:08,550
have to realise that Dee's diary in

2870
02:15:16,010 --> 02:15:12,120
Kelly's diaries were buried in a field

2871
02:15:18,080 --> 02:15:16,020
after DS death and they weren't dug up

2872
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:18,090
till about ten years later they were

2873
02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:20,970
found by a servant who found them and

2874
02:15:26,090 --> 02:15:23,250
then was burning parts of the Diaries as

2875
02:15:27,260 --> 02:15:26,100
fire kindling which by the way is the

2876
02:15:28,760 --> 02:15:27,270
same thing that happened with the Dead

2877
02:15:32,300 --> 02:15:28,770
Sea Scrolls when they worked those were

2878
02:15:34,460 --> 02:15:32,310
discovered they a lot of lot of them

2879
02:15:36,230 --> 02:15:34,470
were used as kindling before somebody

2880
02:15:39,290 --> 02:15:36,240
figured out what was happening which is

2881
02:15:41,450 --> 02:15:39,300
just tragic right so a lot of Diaries

2882
02:15:43,850 --> 02:15:41,460
are missing but by the time we get to

2883
02:15:45,980 --> 02:15:43,860
the golden dawn the only part of an oak

2884
02:15:48,170 --> 02:15:45,990
Ian that survives in the Golden Dawn is

2885
02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:48,180
the watchtowers which is one tiny

2886
02:15:52,430 --> 02:15:50,090
fragment of the entire system

2887
02:15:54,890 --> 02:15:52,440
Mather's found that because he had

2888
02:15:58,450 --> 02:15:54,900
access to a book called a true and

2889
02:16:01,190 --> 02:15:58,460
faithful relation by America Saban who

2890
02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:01,200
who printed part of the diary but not

2891
02:16:05,420 --> 02:16:04,170
nearly all of them and he only printed

2892
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:05,430
the part of the diaries that dealt with

2893
02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:08,250
that part of the system and so Mathers

2894
02:16:11,390 --> 02:16:10,050
took that and he put it into the golden

2895
02:16:13,190 --> 02:16:11,400
dawn and then because he thought it was

2896
02:16:15,260 --> 02:16:13,200
incomplete he decided to fill in the

2897
02:16:17,480 --> 02:16:15,270
gaps with other systems like arrow and

2898
02:16:19,460 --> 02:16:17,490
Kabbalah and Egyptology and what he

2899
02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:19,470
created is quite beautiful in its own

2900
02:16:28,570 --> 02:16:23,280
way but it's not the original system now

2901
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:28,580
what about Crowley and his quest to

2902
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:32,250
perform and complete a couple of these

2903
02:16:38,390 --> 02:16:35,610
ceremonies were those Enochian they were

2904
02:16:40,250 --> 02:16:38,400
and in fact you know in a way Crowley is

2905
02:16:43,400 --> 02:16:40,260
the member of the Golden Dawn to take

2906
02:16:44,540 --> 02:16:43,410
Enochian the most most seriously and and

2907
02:16:49,400 --> 02:16:44,550
do the most

2908
02:16:52,190 --> 02:16:49,410
original research so with Crowley what

2909
02:16:56,030 --> 02:16:52,200
Crowley did in around in the early 1900s

2910
02:16:58,970 --> 02:16:56,040
is with his student and male lover

2911
02:17:01,580 --> 02:16:58,980
Victor Neuberg spent an entire month

2912
02:17:04,340 --> 02:17:01,590
crossing the desert in Algeria and

2913
02:17:05,690 --> 02:17:04,350
northern Africa and every day they would

2914
02:17:08,210 --> 02:17:05,700
walk through the deserts through the

2915
02:17:10,670 --> 02:17:08,220
wasteland and Crowley will be

2916
02:17:14,030 --> 02:17:10,680
prostrating himself over and over again

2917
02:17:17,420 --> 02:17:14,040
saying Muslim mantras you know Islamic

2918
02:17:19,220 --> 02:17:17,430
mantras to God prostrating himself over

2919
02:17:20,540 --> 02:17:19,230
a thousand times a day so that he would

2920
02:17:22,640 --> 02:17:20,550
become his body he would completely

2921
02:17:25,070 --> 02:17:22,650
exhaust his body and of course they were

2922
02:17:26,660 --> 02:17:25,080
in a state of total sensory deprivation

2923
02:17:28,610 --> 02:17:26,670
because they were in the desert right

2924
02:17:30,620 --> 02:17:28,620
and then probably we're using something

2925
02:17:33,950 --> 02:17:30,630
like peyote or something like that but I

2926
02:17:35,950 --> 02:17:33,960
don't know and then every night they

2927
02:17:38,570 --> 02:17:35,960
would call one of the Aether's which is

2928
02:17:42,740 --> 02:17:38,580
the part of the Enochian system that's

2929
02:17:44,839 --> 02:17:42,750
meant to I would say you know heighten

2930
02:17:46,459 --> 02:17:44,849
the spiritual condition of of people

2931
02:17:47,540 --> 02:17:46,469
doing it it's kind of the main part of

2932
02:17:49,970 --> 02:17:47,550
Enochian

2933
02:17:53,570 --> 02:17:49,980
and there's 30a there's and and as each

2934
02:17:54,950 --> 02:17:53,580
one is opened it causes an internal you

2935
02:17:57,560 --> 02:17:54,960
know psychedelic experience or a

2936
02:17:58,610 --> 02:17:57,570
visionary experience and and he wrote

2937
02:18:00,650 --> 02:17:58,620
all of that down

2938
02:18:02,930 --> 02:18:00,660
he wrote old and his experiences is

2939
02:18:05,150 --> 02:18:02,940
writing by the way and Crowley's a real

2940
02:18:07,339 --> 02:18:05,160
mixed bag he was not a good man or a

2941
02:18:09,379 --> 02:18:07,349
nice man but he certainly did a lot of

2942
02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:09,389
magic and he left behind a lot of

2943
02:18:17,540 --> 02:18:14,370
Records and in my opinion his his his

2944
02:18:20,089 --> 02:18:17,550
work with Enochian is the most profound

2945
02:18:21,919 --> 02:18:20,099
certainly writing of his career and the

2946
02:18:24,290 --> 02:18:21,929
most fascinating to look at and you can

2947
02:18:27,379 --> 02:18:24,300
really while there's a lot of Crowley's

2948
02:18:28,970 --> 02:18:27,389
personality bleeds into it you it's hard

2949
02:18:30,830 --> 02:18:28,980
to read that stuff and say that he

2950
02:18:32,660 --> 02:18:30,840
wasn't in contact with something beyond

2951
02:18:35,350 --> 02:18:32,670
him whatever you whatever you think of

2952
02:18:40,700 --> 02:18:35,360
Crowley himself right and he says

2953
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:40,710
Crowley directly I believe this is

2954
02:18:47,930 --> 02:18:43,410
accurate that he finally completed the

2955
02:18:53,540 --> 02:18:47,940
ceremony and had no desire to do it

2956
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:53,550
again yeah that's right right and I

2957
02:19:00,470 --> 02:18:57,840
could only imagine what went down but

2958
02:19:04,520 --> 02:19:00,480
what do you think happened to him who do

2959
02:19:06,560 --> 02:19:04,530
you think he communicated with well this

2960
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:06,570
he wrote all of his sessions down in a

2961
02:19:10,970 --> 02:19:07,770
book called the vision in the voice

2962
02:19:12,680 --> 02:19:10,980
which you know by the way it the first

2963
02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:12,690
two-thirds of this book only the first

2964
02:19:18,410 --> 02:19:14,969
two-thirds of this book are about D that

2965
02:19:21,140 --> 02:19:18,420
the last third is about Freemasonry

2966
02:19:23,060 --> 02:19:21,150
Rosicrucianism the golden dawn and then

2967
02:19:25,610 --> 02:19:23,070
a lot on Crowley and then Crowley

2968
02:19:26,660 --> 02:19:25,620
student Jack Parsons who was the one of

2969
02:19:28,370 --> 02:19:26,670
the people who created the u.s. space

2970
02:19:30,770 --> 02:19:28,380
program and was also doing this stuff

2971
02:19:33,800 --> 02:19:30,780
but Crowley left a very very detailed

2972
02:19:37,520 --> 02:19:33,810
record of his visions which really kind

2973
02:19:38,929 --> 02:19:37,530
of hang on there really it's the vision

2974
02:19:41,870 --> 02:19:38,939
and the voice in my opinion

2975
02:19:44,330 --> 02:19:41,880
is one of the great documents of oral

2976
02:19:47,769 --> 02:19:44,340
visionary literature without question

2977
02:19:50,449 --> 02:19:47,779
and what he saw in these visions were

2978
02:19:53,239 --> 02:19:50,459
piano was a fulfillment of all world

2979
02:19:55,160 --> 02:19:53,249
religions where they pieced together all

2980
02:19:57,739 --> 02:19:55,170
of the world's spiritual traditions and

2981
02:20:01,880 --> 02:19:57,749
then also annihilated them by showing

2982
02:20:04,519 --> 02:20:01,890
deeper and deeper layers of truth and

2983
02:20:07,370 --> 02:20:04,529
you know annihilating the symbols of

2984
02:20:10,429 --> 02:20:07,380
religion as they went

2985
02:20:12,439 --> 02:20:10,439
but you know in Crowley's mind what he

2986
02:20:14,960 --> 02:20:12,449
was seeing in the Enochian a there's was

2987
02:20:16,760 --> 02:20:14,970
the incoming of the New Age

2988
02:20:18,830 --> 02:20:16,770
you know the Age of Aquarius if you want

2989
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:18,840
to call it or the Aeon of Horus as he

2990
02:20:23,689 --> 02:20:20,970
call it called it he believed that he

2991
02:20:26,590 --> 02:20:23,699
was seeing the spiritual machinery of

2992
02:20:28,760 --> 02:20:26,600
the end of the last 2,000 years of

2993
02:20:31,189 --> 02:20:28,770
patriarchal religion if you will of

2994
02:20:33,500 --> 02:20:31,199
Christianity and and Buddhism and many

2995
02:20:37,849 --> 02:20:33,510
other religions and that he was seeing

2996
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:37,859
them being replaced with what is to come

2997
02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:39,449
for the next 2,000 years which in

2998
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:41,359
Crowley's mind was much more about

2999
02:20:46,370 --> 02:20:44,130
individual spiritual liberation and the

3000
02:20:49,130 --> 02:20:46,380
destruction of all of the old control

3001
02:20:53,389 --> 02:20:49,140
religions well and everything in his

3002
02:20:55,279 --> 02:20:53,399
life at that point was focused on the

3003
02:20:59,870 --> 02:20:55,289
completion of these ceremonies which he

3004
02:21:01,910 --> 02:20:59,880
tried to do nearly every day right and

3005
02:21:04,040 --> 02:21:01,920
he you know he bought the house on Loch

3006
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:04,050
Ness he put the sand in the yard he

3007
02:21:11,029 --> 02:21:07,770
wanted to [\h__\h] all of these things were

3008
02:21:13,910 --> 02:21:11,039
were built around him to complete this

3009
02:21:17,599 --> 02:21:13,920
ceremony and I just found that part of

3010
02:21:19,880 --> 02:21:17,609
Crowley fascinating and I'm not sure and

3011
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:19,890
I appreciate what you're saying here but

3012
02:21:24,290 --> 02:21:22,319
I'm not sure that even what he has

3013
02:21:26,840 --> 02:21:24,300
shared publicly is actually what

3014
02:21:29,569 --> 02:21:26,850
happened I don't think he I think it was

3015
02:21:31,340 --> 02:21:29,579
a personal experience of course I mean

3016
02:21:33,800 --> 02:21:31,350
all magic is a personal experience right

3017
02:21:36,170 --> 02:21:33,810
I had a subjective experience right and

3018
02:21:38,389 --> 02:21:36,180
one of the good things about Crowley is

3019
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:38,399
that he was such a well-trained and good

3020
02:21:43,099 --> 02:21:41,010
writer and could leave you know good

3021
02:21:44,599 --> 02:21:43,109
records but yeah I mean but the the the

3022
02:21:46,189 --> 02:21:44,609
ritual you're talking about is the Abra

3023
02:21:49,880 --> 02:21:46,199
Melman ritual which is my different it's

3024
02:21:51,860 --> 02:21:49,890
it's separate from the Enochian material

3025
02:21:54,440 --> 02:21:51,870
that that was in Scotland and

3026
02:21:59,960 --> 02:21:54,450
you know three to 1904 or so and this

3027
02:22:02,660 --> 02:21:59,970
was 1907 in Algeria but yeah I mean you

3028
02:22:04,761 --> 02:22:02,670
can say a lot about Crowley lots of ink

3029
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:04,771
has been spilled about Crowley I you

3030
02:22:09,770 --> 02:22:07,050
know summarize his goods in his Bad's

3031
02:22:12,261 --> 02:22:09,780
and there were some very bad in the book

3032
02:22:13,640 --> 02:22:12,271
but one thing you can't say about

3033
02:22:16,700 --> 02:22:13,650
Crowley who the horse remains

3034
02:22:19,460 --> 02:22:16,710
controversial to this day is that he was

3035
02:22:22,850 --> 02:22:19,470
insincere I think that he went full-on

3036
02:22:27,530 --> 02:22:22,860
into this stuff in a almost in an

3037
02:22:32,511 --> 02:22:27,540
obsessive way you know an obsessively in

3038
02:22:34,761 --> 02:22:32,521
a detailed and and perhaps scientific or

3039
02:22:37,820 --> 02:22:34,771
at least empirical way assessing this

3040
02:22:40,280 --> 02:22:37,830
stuff and he could because he not only

3041
02:22:42,801 --> 02:22:40,290
had the privilege of such of a such a

3042
02:22:45,440 --> 02:22:42,811
good education but he also had a lot of

3043
02:22:47,060 --> 02:22:45,450
inherited family money so he never had

3044
02:22:49,430 --> 02:22:47,070
to work in his life he spent his entire

3045
02:22:50,990 --> 02:22:49,440
life just doing magic you know until the

3046
02:22:53,180 --> 02:22:51,000
money ran out more than he kept doing it

3047
02:22:56,600 --> 02:22:53,190
of course and put on a much lower budget

3048
02:23:00,350 --> 02:22:56,610
in much more desperate straits now we've

3049
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:00,360
got to get do this Jack Parsons part

3050
02:23:06,470 --> 02:23:04,170
because JPL is is here in Parsons and

3051
02:23:10,180 --> 02:23:06,480
and Pasadena and Glendale and Burbank

3052
02:23:14,780 --> 02:23:10,190
it's it's a part of our daily lives

3053
02:23:17,801 --> 02:23:14,790
today but this was a very serious thing

3054
02:23:20,480 --> 02:23:17,811
for Jack Parsons and some of these

3055
02:23:24,261 --> 02:23:20,490
whether they're urban legends or its

3056
02:23:26,180 --> 02:23:24,271
fact these things actually happen when I

3057
02:23:27,950 --> 02:23:26,190
say urban legends you know portals

3058
02:23:29,960 --> 02:23:27,960
opening up in the Mojave Desert I don't

3059
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:29,970
know you know how accurate that stuff is

3060
02:23:37,310 --> 02:23:34,170
but but certainly Parsons interest in it

3061
02:23:40,100 --> 02:23:37,320
was as sincere as anybody's and he ran

3062
02:23:41,870 --> 02:23:40,110
in those circles absolutely so yeah

3063
02:23:43,430 --> 02:23:41,880
Parsons I mean what can we say about

3064
02:23:46,850 --> 02:23:43,440
this guy this is one of the most

3065
02:23:49,460 --> 02:23:46,860
colorful and amazing characters in all

3066
02:23:51,080 --> 02:23:49,470
of magic so Parsons was yeah born in

3067
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:51,090
Pasadena in the early part of the 20th

3068
02:23:58,761 --> 02:23:55,050
century he was you know a scientist

3069
02:24:00,920 --> 02:23:58,771
scientist a science fiction fan you know

3070
02:24:03,890 --> 02:24:00,930
he was six feet tall dashingly handsome

3071
02:24:05,250 --> 02:24:03,900
you have to imagine perhaps Elon Musk

3072
02:24:09,841 --> 02:24:05,260
crossed

3073
02:24:12,390 --> 02:24:09,851
Hoffman or somebody like that when he

3074
02:24:14,820 --> 02:24:12,400
was a real anarchist right and Parsons

3075
02:24:18,180 --> 02:24:14,830
wanted you know Parsons is responsible

3076
02:24:20,850 --> 02:24:18,190
for the early rocketry program where he

3077
02:24:22,350 --> 02:24:20,860
was interested in producing rockets when

3078
02:24:25,830 --> 02:24:22,360
nobody was interested in it and his

3079
02:24:27,841 --> 02:24:25,840
group of rocket enthusiasts became what

3080
02:24:31,410 --> 02:24:27,851
we now know as NASA JPL jet propulsion

3081
02:24:34,110 --> 02:24:31,420
Jet Propulsion labs he founded he is the

3082
02:24:37,140 --> 02:24:34,120
person that invented solid-state rocket

3083
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:37,150
fuel which is responsible for putting us

3084
02:24:43,350 --> 02:24:41,290
on the moon and also what you know was

3085
02:24:47,940 --> 02:24:43,360
the fuel driving ICBM new nuclear

3086
02:24:49,710 --> 02:24:47,950
missiles in the 60s and 70s and he was

3087
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:49,720
also a science-fiction fan he was a

3088
02:24:53,341 --> 02:24:51,610
friend to Ray Bradbury and all these

3089
02:24:57,240 --> 02:24:53,351
early science fiction writers and a

3090
02:24:59,850 --> 02:24:57,250
great patron of them he and he was also

3091
02:25:02,250 --> 02:24:59,860
a practice practicing occultist he was

3092
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:02,260
the head of the OTO which is Crowley's

3093
02:25:08,640 --> 02:25:06,010
magical group in Los Angeles and spent

3094
02:25:12,301 --> 02:25:08,650
his days working on rockets and his

3095
02:25:13,890 --> 02:25:12,311
night doing occult rituals a lot of

3096
02:25:21,091 --> 02:25:13,900
which was Enochian that was the primary

3097
02:25:23,930 --> 02:25:21,101
focus now how can we clear up some of

3098
02:25:27,511 --> 02:25:23,940
these occult rituals and some of these

3099
02:25:30,570 --> 02:25:27,521
stories about Jack you know like portals

3100
02:25:35,190 --> 02:25:30,580
and and communication and and what he

3101
02:25:38,070 --> 02:25:35,200
was exposed to how much of it actually

3102
02:25:39,660 --> 02:25:38,080
happened how it all happened and I what

3103
02:25:41,580 --> 02:25:39,670
you're talking about is an infamous

3104
02:25:43,890 --> 02:25:41,590
ritual that he did call it the babylon

3105
02:25:46,830 --> 02:25:43,900
working that's right in the mojave

3106
02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:46,840
desert with the help of a special

3107
02:25:56,100 --> 02:25:52,090
somebody we you know as LRH or l ron

3108
02:25:59,190 --> 02:25:56,110
Hubbard and he spent so Parsons and

3109
02:26:01,380 --> 02:25:59,200
Hubbard who was kind of his protege who

3110
02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:01,390
was a confidence trickster who had shown

3111
02:26:06,830 --> 02:26:04,210
up at Parsons digs and quickly charmed

3112
02:26:09,360 --> 02:26:06,840
him and got him under his spell

3113
02:26:12,630 --> 02:26:09,370
Parsons and Hubbard were engaged in

3114
02:26:14,370 --> 02:26:12,640
trying to talk to Babylon and Babylon is

3115
02:26:16,710 --> 02:26:14,380
kind of the central goddess of the

3116
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:16,720
entire Enochian system

3117
02:26:21,030 --> 02:26:19,210
who appeared to Deann Kelly and appeared

3118
02:26:24,810 --> 02:26:21,040
to Crowley and their respective workings

3119
02:26:28,580 --> 02:26:24,820
and Parsons saw Babylon as kind of the

3120
02:26:34,440 --> 02:26:28,590
inversion of the Virgin Mary and the

3121
02:26:38,820 --> 02:26:34,450
female goddess at her most unshackled

3122
02:26:42,540 --> 02:26:38,830
and the dark goddess you know and he saw

3123
02:26:46,530 --> 02:26:42,550
her as a figure of social liberation and

3124
02:26:50,341 --> 02:26:46,540
female liberation and a symbol of women

3125
02:26:52,470 --> 02:26:50,351
over the entire rising up out of their

3126
02:26:54,570 --> 02:26:52,480
patriarchal shackles and destroying the

3127
02:26:56,250 --> 02:26:54,580
old pastry all patriarchal order and

3128
02:26:57,960 --> 02:26:56,260
he's writing about this in the 40s right

3129
02:26:59,640 --> 02:26:57,970
it had already begun happening but it

3130
02:27:02,240 --> 02:26:59,650
really started to kick in in the coming

3131
02:27:04,680 --> 02:27:02,250
decades of course and is still you know

3132
02:27:09,511 --> 02:27:04,690
that's a war that's being fought right

3133
02:27:11,850 --> 02:27:09,521
now you know wonderfully and he but they

3134
02:27:13,620 --> 02:27:11,860
wanted to contact this goddess directly

3135
02:27:15,570 --> 02:27:13,630
and Parsons certainly thought that he

3136
02:27:18,210 --> 02:27:15,580
had but in the process he lost

3137
02:27:20,400 --> 02:27:18,220
everything I mean Hubbert ran off with

3138
02:27:23,490 --> 02:27:20,410
his girlfriend ran off with his money

3139
02:27:25,830 --> 02:27:23,500
ran off with his yacht Parsons lost his

3140
02:27:29,100 --> 02:27:25,840
job he was left destitute I mean he

3141
02:27:32,341 --> 02:27:29,110
really took it to the abyss as they say

3142
02:27:34,591 --> 02:27:32,351
and the occult tradition and then of

3143
02:27:38,220 --> 02:27:34,601
course you know with that boat in

3144
02:27:40,830 --> 02:27:38,230
Florida we have today Scientology and

3145
02:27:44,341 --> 02:27:40,840
isn't that an interesting part of this

3146
02:27:47,761 --> 02:27:44,351
entire saga let's let's take a break

3147
02:27:49,410 --> 02:27:47,771
right here Jason and if you will let's

3148
02:27:52,830 --> 02:27:49,420
do a little bit of overtime because we

3149
02:27:55,410 --> 02:27:52,840
got to talk about the death of Parsons

3150
02:27:58,110 --> 02:27:55,420
and well let's do this after the break

3151
02:28:00,000 --> 02:27:58,120
because I have my ideas about what

3152
02:28:03,330 --> 02:28:00,010
actually happened at his home up in

3153
02:28:07,381 --> 02:28:03,340
Pasadena and let's let's continue all

3154
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:07,391
the way through modern modern-day cult

3155
02:28:12,270 --> 02:28:09,130
history I guess is the way we want to

3156
02:28:13,710 --> 02:28:12,280
put it here with with John Dee

3157
02:28:17,620 --> 02:28:13,720
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3158
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02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:41,000
all right welcome back fade to black I

3239
02:32:46,040 --> 02:32:43,410
guess tonight Jason Lube you can follow

3240
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me on Twitter Jimmy Church at J Church

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radio you can follow Jason at Jason Lou

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he's tweeting Jason it's really cool man

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3244
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man yeah there's some great comments

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coming in it's really enjoying the show

3246
02:33:02,900 --> 02:33:00,990
it's amazing and you can see some of

3247
02:33:05,300 --> 02:33:02,910
these questions and I've got them lined

3248
02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:05,310
up here too as well so we'll try to get

3249
02:33:11,320 --> 02:33:07,920
them in be before the end of the show

3250
02:33:14,510 --> 02:33:11,330
tonight but here's what a slight recap

3251
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:14,520
very condensed but it's amazing when you

3252
02:33:20,840 --> 02:33:18,000
think about it John D influencing not

3253
02:33:25,670 --> 02:33:20,850
only Queen Elizabeth and and creating

3254
02:33:28,100 --> 02:33:25,680
the vision of the British Empire sign at

3255
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:28,110
the science side of it through

3256
02:33:35,480 --> 02:33:31,520
eventually through scrying and in

3257
02:33:37,820 --> 02:33:35,490
influencing so many societies all the

3258
02:33:42,250 --> 02:33:37,830
way from the Freemasons and Illuminati

3259
02:33:47,690 --> 02:33:42,260
the Rosicrucians the Golden Dawn the OTO

3260
02:33:51,110 --> 02:33:47,700
all the way through to the moon right I

3261
02:33:54,200 --> 02:33:51,120
mean let's let's let's understand what

3262
02:33:56,780 --> 02:33:54,210
we are talking about here John Dee was

3263
02:33:59,390 --> 02:33:56,790
absolutely incredible and and the story

3264
02:34:01,520 --> 02:33:59,400
and the connecting of the dots is is an

3265
02:34:04,880 --> 02:34:01,530
easy one to follow but that's exactly

3266
02:34:07,730 --> 02:34:04,890
John Dee's influence yeah I mean when we

3267
02:34:10,730 --> 02:34:07,740
think about John Dee's work creating

3268
02:34:13,520 --> 02:34:10,740
naval expansion expansion to the new

3269
02:34:15,800 --> 02:34:13,530
world and doing this Enochian magic and

3270
02:34:17,390 --> 02:34:15,810
opening up the Age of Empires and then

3271
02:34:19,160 --> 02:34:17,400
just four hundred years later which is

3272
02:34:21,560 --> 02:34:19,170
really the blink of the blink of an eye

3273
02:34:23,960 --> 02:34:21,570
at Jack Parsons doing the same thing and

3274
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:23,970
opening up the space race and both of

3275
02:34:30,580 --> 02:34:26,010
them doing Enochian magic I mean why do

3276
02:34:34,700 --> 02:34:30,590
we not hear this in school exactly now

3277
02:34:37,690 --> 02:34:34,710
the Jack Parsons Jack Parsons death now

3278
02:34:42,920 --> 02:34:37,700
see he brought up solid fuel right well

3279
02:34:48,380 --> 02:34:42,930
the official story is that he blew up

3280
02:34:51,020 --> 02:34:48,390
his own house and and he died his uh his

3281
02:34:53,090 --> 02:34:51,030
mother Ruth the second that she heard

3282
02:34:55,690 --> 02:34:53,100
about his death she commits suicide

3283
02:34:58,760 --> 02:34:55,700
right

3284
02:35:01,280 --> 02:34:58,770
his wife allegedly comes home she's

3285
02:35:03,020 --> 02:35:01,290
grocery shopping and finds out about

3286
02:35:07,550 --> 02:35:03,030
everything you know the house is burnt

3287
02:35:10,940 --> 02:35:07,560
down I'm not so sure that's the real

3288
02:35:13,130 --> 02:35:10,950
story what do you think happened well

3289
02:35:15,800 --> 02:35:13,140
yeah I mean the official story is that

3290
02:35:17,210 --> 02:35:15,810
he was working on so at this time he was

3291
02:35:19,430 --> 02:35:17,220
making money because he lost his

3292
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:19,440
security clearance and his job and he

3293
02:35:26,390 --> 02:35:23,610
was making money doing explosives for

3294
02:35:29,000 --> 02:35:26,400
Hollywood and so he had he and his wife

3295
02:35:34,219 --> 02:35:29,010
Marjorie Cameron were about to leave for

3296
02:35:37,580 --> 02:35:34,229
Mexico and he was or possibly Israel I'm

3297
02:35:40,100 --> 02:35:37,590
gonna double-check that and he was doing

3298
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:40,110
a last-minute rush order and what

3299
02:35:44,870 --> 02:35:41,850
happened was a vial of fulminate of

3300
02:35:46,370 --> 02:35:44,880
mercury slipped out of his hand and of

3301
02:35:48,830 --> 02:35:46,380
course that's a very volatile and then

3302
02:35:50,840 --> 02:35:48,840
it blew him up now by the way fulminate

3303
02:35:53,170 --> 02:35:50,850
of mercury if you've ever seen Breaking

3304
02:35:56,660 --> 02:35:53,180
Bad one of my favorite TV shows ever

3305
02:35:59,060 --> 02:35:56,670
there's a scene in the first season of

3306
02:36:03,080 --> 02:35:59,070
Breaking Bad where Heisenberg you know

3307
02:36:04,130 --> 02:36:03,090
Walter White has a piece of something

3308
02:36:06,980 --> 02:36:04,140
that looks like crystal methamphetamine

3309
02:36:10,760 --> 02:36:06,990
it's a little crystal that he throws at

3310
02:36:12,980 --> 02:36:10,770
a drug dealers den and it the whole

3311
02:36:14,660 --> 02:36:12,990
thing blows up that's fulminate of

3312
02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:14,670
mercury that's what that's what that

3313
02:36:18,230 --> 02:36:15,530
does

3314
02:36:20,270 --> 02:36:18,240
if you've ever happened to see that that

3315
02:36:22,280 --> 02:36:20,280
episode so Parsons has a vial of this it

3316
02:36:24,620 --> 02:36:22,290
slips out of his hand he blows up that's

3317
02:36:26,210 --> 02:36:24,630
the official story a conspiracy theories

3318
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:26,220
have certainly circulated about that

3319
02:36:31,520 --> 02:36:29,520
that's possible that you know he had a

3320
02:36:33,140 --> 02:36:31,530
lot of enemies it's possible that you

3321
02:36:36,170 --> 02:36:33,150
know people didn't want him leaving the

3322
02:36:37,969 --> 02:36:36,180
US and bringing rocketry and explosives

3323
02:36:40,100 --> 02:36:37,979
information to other governments and

3324
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:40,110
particularly Israel it's possible that

3325
02:36:45,230 --> 02:36:41,850
you know the LAPD did not like him a

3326
02:36:48,469 --> 02:36:45,240
whole lot because he had testified as an

3327
02:36:50,300 --> 02:36:48,479
explosives witness in a case against a

3328
02:36:52,910 --> 02:36:50,310
former captain of the LAPD which

3329
02:36:54,830 --> 02:36:52,920
certainly didn't win him any friends but

3330
02:36:57,860 --> 02:36:54,840
you know I got to tell you having been

3331
02:37:00,620 --> 02:36:57,870
around the occult world for as long as I

3332
02:37:02,690 --> 02:37:00,630
have you see after a while

3333
02:37:04,910 --> 02:37:02,700
you see how the sausage is made you know

3334
02:37:06,440 --> 02:37:04,920
you see you know when you first start

3335
02:37:09,500 --> 02:37:06,450
learning about this stuff it's easy to

3336
02:37:11,660 --> 02:37:09,510
get kind of grandiose ideas about all

3337
02:37:13,400 --> 02:37:11,670
these all-powerful sorcerers and things

3338
02:37:15,800 --> 02:37:13,410
like that well you know the real occult

3339
02:37:17,480 --> 02:37:15,810
world is it's just people right and a

3340
02:37:20,840 --> 02:37:17,490
lot of times in the occult world people

3341
02:37:23,630 --> 02:37:20,850
are not the most grounded and one of the

3342
02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:23,640
deals with Parsons is he was a regular

3343
02:37:29,840 --> 02:37:26,570
drug user he used cocaine a lot he used

3344
02:37:31,670 --> 02:37:29,850
morphine he probably used

3345
02:37:33,320 --> 02:37:31,680
methamphetamine it's possible he may

3346
02:37:34,190 --> 02:37:33,330
have been making methamphetamine because

3347
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:34,200
he was a chemist

3348
02:37:40,190 --> 02:37:38,399
and one of his friends this is reported

3349
02:37:42,320 --> 02:37:40,200
in a biography of him one of his friends

3350
02:37:44,660 --> 02:37:42,330
in his rocketry Club talks about Parsons

3351
02:37:47,090 --> 02:37:44,670
hands sweating all the time which

3352
02:37:49,639 --> 02:37:47,100
suggests that suggest drug use right

3353
02:37:51,110 --> 02:37:49,649
suggest stimulants amphetamines or or

3354
02:37:54,110 --> 02:37:51,120
possibly cooking and we're probably

3355
02:37:57,139 --> 02:37:54,120
amphetamines and also at the blast site

3356
02:37:59,960 --> 02:37:57,149
there was a syringe empty syringe of

3357
02:38:02,030 --> 02:37:59,970
morphine that they had found so it's

3358
02:38:03,679 --> 02:38:02,040
possible he was just on drugs and he got

3359
02:38:05,780 --> 02:38:03,689
sloppy and the thing slipped out of his

3360
02:38:09,080 --> 02:38:05,790
hand you know sometimes the the most

3361
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:09,090
obvious answer is the right one you know

3362
02:38:13,820 --> 02:38:12,570
but but we don't know it's possible you

3363
02:38:17,090 --> 02:38:13,830
know certainly people would have had

3364
02:38:22,400 --> 02:38:17,100
motivations to make sure he didn't leave

3365
02:38:24,830 --> 02:38:22,410
the country yeah it's possible he was my

3366
02:38:27,860 --> 02:38:24,840
memory says that he was he had a

3367
02:38:30,350 --> 02:38:27,870
contract with the Mexican government he

3368
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:30,360
was getting ready he was broke right and

3369
02:38:35,060 --> 02:38:32,250
he was gonna set up some munitions

3370
02:38:36,469 --> 02:38:35,070
factory or something it was Israel

3371
02:38:37,790 --> 02:38:36,479
actually he was it is that for the

3372
02:38:41,110 --> 02:38:37,800
Israelis he was going to work on the

3373
02:38:46,820 --> 02:38:41,120
rocketry program it was probably both

3374
02:38:49,910 --> 02:38:46,830
yeah so now here we are today where we

3375
02:38:55,370 --> 02:38:49,920
have got the Rosicrucians and the

3376
02:39:00,020 --> 02:38:55,380
Freemasons are here and that the John D

3377
02:39:03,250 --> 02:39:00,030
writings and an influence is is a global

3378
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:03,260
thing now how much of it is is

3379
02:39:08,840 --> 02:39:05,850
influencing government decisions today

3380
02:39:11,150 --> 02:39:08,850
around the world I'm not a conspiracy

3381
02:39:13,200 --> 02:39:11,160
type thinker so I don't think that it

3382
02:39:15,689 --> 02:39:13,210
really is but well

3383
02:39:17,219 --> 02:39:15,699
directly as and what I mean by that is

3384
02:39:19,110 --> 02:39:17,229
like people are sitting behind closed

3385
02:39:19,740 --> 02:39:19,120
doors reading these Diaries and going

3386
02:39:22,200 --> 02:39:19,750
aha

3387
02:39:25,229 --> 02:39:22,210
like now we have the secrets but what I

3388
02:39:28,590 --> 02:39:25,239
will say is that those ideas absolute

3389
02:39:31,620 --> 02:39:28,600
the ideas themselves absolutely have an

3390
02:39:33,269 --> 02:39:31,630
influence on on government policy and I

3391
02:39:34,380 --> 02:39:33,279
write about that at length in the book

3392
02:39:36,479 --> 02:39:34,390
and that's kind of one of the most

3393
02:39:38,070 --> 02:39:36,489
shocking things about it and all of this

3394
02:39:40,410 --> 02:39:38,080
stuff is in plain sight it's not like

3395
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:40,420
it's conspiratorial right so what what I

3396
02:39:45,450 --> 02:39:42,250
mean by that is that one of these core

3397
02:39:47,400 --> 02:39:45,460
ideas was or the Angels ideas if you

3398
02:39:49,590 --> 02:39:47,410
want to look at it that way is that the

3399
02:39:52,439 --> 02:39:49,600
apocalypse should be hastened that we

3400
02:39:53,969 --> 02:39:52,449
should accelerate it towards the end of

3401
02:39:56,309 --> 02:39:53,979
the Bible towards the book of Revelation

3402
02:39:57,780 --> 02:39:56,319
and bring about the apocalypse to kind

3403
02:39:59,309 --> 02:39:57,790
of get it over with

3404
02:40:01,950 --> 02:39:59,319
because the sooner that happens the

3405
02:40:04,229 --> 02:40:01,960
sooner Jesus comes back well that's a

3406
02:40:07,410 --> 02:40:04,239
pretty intense idea but it certainly

3407
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:07,420
wasn't didn't stay in Dee's work and it

3408
02:40:11,610 --> 02:40:09,520
certainly didn't stay in you know

3409
02:40:13,830 --> 02:40:11,620
heretical Protestant groups of the time

3410
02:40:16,170 --> 02:40:13,840
well you know when you understand that

3411
02:40:19,559 --> 02:40:16,180
America was settled by Protestant

3412
02:40:22,650 --> 02:40:19,569
evangelicals well that's the idea that's

3413
02:40:25,309 --> 02:40:22,660
been running the American government you

3414
02:40:29,639 --> 02:40:25,319
know like if you look at Ronald Reagan

3415
02:40:31,130 --> 02:40:29,649
you know assuring America through a

3416
02:40:33,450 --> 02:40:31,140
period of mutually assured destruction

3417
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:33,460
with Russia while all the while

3418
02:40:38,790 --> 02:40:36,090
believing that it was his sacred duty to

3419
02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:38,800
you know fight the war with Russia to

3420
02:40:44,910 --> 02:40:41,290
bring about to get America through the

3421
02:40:47,099 --> 02:40:44,920
apocalypse and George Bush jr. thinking

3422
02:40:49,019 --> 02:40:47,109
that he needed to go into Iraq to bring

3423
02:40:52,620 --> 02:40:49,029
about the apocalypse or maybe perhaps

3424
02:40:54,780 --> 02:40:52,630
the bombing in Syria today and one of

3425
02:40:56,250 --> 02:40:54,790
the things about being an American and

3426
02:40:59,790 --> 02:40:56,260
living in America that I think other

3427
02:41:01,889 --> 02:40:59,800
countries probably laugh at us for quite

3428
02:41:04,590 --> 02:41:01,899
honestly having traveled in the UK and

3429
02:41:09,450 --> 02:41:04,600
Europe a lot is that evangelical

3430
02:41:14,519 --> 02:41:09,460
theology has such a big role in American

3431
02:41:15,840 --> 02:41:14,529
governmental policy and that many in you

3432
02:41:17,790 --> 02:41:15,850
know throughout many presidential

3433
02:41:20,849 --> 02:41:17,800
administrations not all not all of them

3434
02:41:22,800 --> 02:41:20,859
but many of them have truly believed

3435
02:41:25,710 --> 02:41:22,810
that the events of the book of

3436
02:41:27,030 --> 02:41:25,720
Revelation are real and that not only

3437
02:41:30,660 --> 02:41:27,040
that they are real but that it's

3438
02:41:32,190 --> 02:41:30,670
their job to make them real not

3439
02:41:34,500 --> 02:41:32,200
something they certainly share in common

3440
02:41:36,180 --> 02:41:34,510
with John D that they share in common

3441
02:41:40,320 --> 02:41:36,190
with to some extent with Aleister

3442
02:41:41,880 --> 02:41:40,330
Crowley and the whole Western occult

3443
02:41:43,950 --> 02:41:41,890
tradition so one of the most shocking

3444
02:41:46,020 --> 02:41:43,960
things about this book was understanding

3445
02:41:47,580 --> 02:41:46,030
that there's really not a whole lot of

3446
02:41:51,511 --> 02:41:47,590
difference between what we think of as

3447
02:41:55,230 --> 02:41:51,521
the esoteric or a cult side of Western

3448
02:41:57,360 --> 02:41:55,240
civilization and that the the big plan

3449
02:41:59,430 --> 02:41:57,370
you know Western civilization in general

3450
02:42:00,990 --> 02:41:59,440
it's all one thing but one of the good

3451
02:42:02,670 --> 02:42:01,000
things about being a journalist and a

3452
02:42:05,910 --> 02:42:02,680
hiss you know and writing a book on

3453
02:42:08,490 --> 02:42:05,920
history by the way is understanding that

3454
02:42:10,230 --> 02:42:08,500
the truth is way weirder than any

3455
02:42:11,880 --> 02:42:10,240
conspiracy theory you know I think that

3456
02:42:13,740 --> 02:42:11,890
even people who have conspiracy theories

3457
02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:13,750
about stuff you know all you have to do

3458
02:42:16,830 --> 02:42:15,130
is go back and look at what actually

3459
02:42:19,320 --> 02:42:16,840
happened in the actual history and it's

3460
02:42:21,630 --> 02:42:19,330
way weirder than anything that anyone's

3461
02:42:25,500 --> 02:42:21,640
coming up with on you know info wars.com

3462
02:42:28,140 --> 02:42:25,510
or something like that so so with the I

3463
02:42:29,940 --> 02:42:28,150
know I know I'm so with you on that and

3464
02:42:32,850 --> 02:42:29,950
it's just been a fascinating

3465
02:42:35,040 --> 02:42:32,860
conversation tonight and I've got to get

3466
02:42:37,490 --> 02:42:35,050
some of these questions in here from the

3467
02:42:39,810 --> 02:42:37,500
audience and I've got so many so let's

3468
02:42:41,970 --> 02:42:39,820
let's let's go through these to see how

3469
02:42:44,730 --> 02:42:41,980
many we can get in Jimmy please ask

3470
02:42:47,190 --> 02:42:44,740
Jason if Occidental science is genuinely

3471
02:42:50,220 --> 02:42:47,200
independent from judeo-christian

3472
02:42:53,730 --> 02:42:50,230
worldviews does it exist separately in

3473
02:42:58,110 --> 02:42:53,740
its own right or is it more honestly

3474
02:42:59,610 --> 02:42:58,120
just a part of the same coin that's a

3475
02:43:01,770 --> 02:42:59,620
great question I don't think there

3476
02:43:02,940 --> 02:43:01,780
certainly in their origins or in the

3477
02:43:04,320 --> 02:43:02,950
origin of science no they're not

3478
02:43:07,830 --> 02:43:04,330
separate at all it's all one big

3479
02:43:10,250 --> 02:43:07,840
continuum and you know actually actually

3480
02:43:13,170 --> 02:43:10,260
you know you and Carl Jung thought that

3481
02:43:15,450 --> 02:43:13,180
the rise of science that science was

3482
02:43:17,900 --> 02:43:15,460
actually a response it was an outgrowth

3483
02:43:20,900 --> 02:43:17,910
of Christianity the judeo-christian

3484
02:43:25,230 --> 02:43:20,910
tradition where people became very

3485
02:43:27,780 --> 02:43:25,240
despondent that you know that just faith

3486
02:43:30,030 --> 02:43:27,790
alone had not really solved the problems

3487
02:43:31,980 --> 02:43:30,040
of Europe and that that manifested as

3488
02:43:34,560 --> 02:43:31,990
the drive towards hermeticism and then

3489
02:43:36,990 --> 02:43:34,570
science and alchemy and all that that's

3490
02:43:39,300 --> 02:43:37,000
what you thought now in terms of today I

3491
02:43:40,710 --> 02:43:39,310
think they are separate today but one of

3492
02:43:43,050 --> 02:43:40,720
the things that I argue in this book

3493
02:43:45,389 --> 02:43:43,060
is you know we still are a

3494
02:43:47,580 --> 02:43:45,399
judeo-christian culture and just because

3495
02:43:51,330 --> 02:43:47,590
church attendance is down and people are

3496
02:43:53,190 --> 02:43:51,340
not openly believers doesn't mean that

3497
02:43:55,620 --> 02:43:53,200
they're still not running off the same

3498
02:43:59,940 --> 02:43:55,630
fundamental assumptions right because

3499
02:44:03,389 --> 02:43:59,950
Western civilization is set up to for

3500
02:44:05,519 --> 02:44:03,399
instance be teleological meaning urine

3501
02:44:07,860 --> 02:44:05,529
towards an end point so even though for

3502
02:44:09,990 --> 02:44:07,870
instance you know most people nowadays

3503
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:10,000
would not claim that they're openly

3504
02:44:14,490 --> 02:44:12,010
Christian at least you know scientists

3505
02:44:16,380 --> 02:44:14,500
things like this well even the parts of

3506
02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:16,390
Western civilization that no longer

3507
02:44:19,979 --> 02:44:18,010
think they're Christian are still trying

3508
02:44:21,750 --> 02:44:19,989
to cause the apocalypse I mean Marxism

3509
02:44:25,500 --> 02:44:21,760
for instance which is not religious at

3510
02:44:27,360 --> 02:44:25,510
all still yearns towards the the Marxist

3511
02:44:29,729 --> 02:44:27,370
apocalypse you know the inevitability of

3512
02:44:31,530 --> 02:44:29,739
communism it still has this core

3513
02:44:33,510 --> 02:44:31,540
messianic myth you know science what

3514
02:44:36,059 --> 02:44:33,520
transhumanism right transhumanism is

3515
02:44:38,010 --> 02:44:36,069
yearning towards the singularity right

3516
02:44:40,500 --> 02:44:38,020
now what's that other than messianic

3517
02:44:42,630 --> 02:44:40,510
apocalyptic thinking so even in our

3518
02:44:44,280 --> 02:44:42,640
culture our culture is judeo-christian

3519
02:44:46,950 --> 02:44:44,290
and we just can't get away from that

3520
02:44:48,719 --> 02:44:46,960
that's like our cultural DNA so you

3521
02:44:50,070 --> 02:44:48,729
can't just stop going to church and say

3522
02:44:52,200 --> 02:44:50,080
you're not Christian anymore it's like

3523
02:44:54,150 --> 02:44:52,210
if you come from that culture then it

3524
02:44:56,040 --> 02:44:54,160
just forms your fundamental associate

3525
02:44:58,679 --> 02:44:56,050
your your fundamental take on things

3526
02:45:02,040 --> 02:44:58,689
unless you examine that stuff very very

3527
02:45:03,990 --> 02:45:02,050
clearly which most people don't so I

3528
02:45:07,110 --> 02:45:04,000
hope that answers that question

3529
02:45:09,450 --> 02:45:07,120
Jimmy I have a post graduate degree in

3530
02:45:12,979 --> 02:45:09,460
science and I've often felt that Western

3531
02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:12,989
science is inextricably linked to

3532
02:45:19,229 --> 02:45:16,090
judeo-christian worldview so much that

3533
02:45:23,099 --> 02:45:19,239
even self-proclaimed atheist scientists

3534
02:45:25,710 --> 02:45:23,109
are on simply a quest to quantify the

3535
02:45:29,610 --> 02:45:25,720
mind of God what do you think about that

3536
02:45:32,099 --> 02:45:29,620
Jason 100% accurate and I think that I I

3537
02:45:34,200 --> 02:45:32,109
draw out the history of that it's very

3538
02:45:36,150 --> 02:45:34,210
well put and I draw out the specific

3539
02:45:39,420 --> 02:45:36,160
history of that in this book it links

3540
02:45:44,250 --> 02:45:39,430
100% curat what is Jason's take on the

3541
02:45:46,139 --> 02:45:44,260
hermetic collective consciousness I'm

3542
02:45:50,880 --> 02:45:46,149
not sure what that means

3543
02:45:52,150 --> 02:45:50,890
did I read it wrong what is the hermetic

3544
02:45:55,240 --> 02:45:52,160
take on Cole

3545
02:45:58,690 --> 02:45:55,250
- oh I see oh well that's interesting

3546
02:46:02,770 --> 02:45:58,700
question why is that hmm

3547
02:46:04,900 --> 02:46:02,780
I think that well that's a that's a big

3548
02:46:07,360 --> 02:46:04,910
one right I think that the Hermetic

3549
02:46:10,420 --> 02:46:07,370
tradition would certainly see individual

3550
02:46:12,850 --> 02:46:10,430
consciousnesses as part of a greater

3551
02:46:15,580 --> 02:46:12,860
whole you know there are our individual

3552
02:46:17,860 --> 02:46:15,590
loci of consciousnesses are part of the

3553
02:46:20,020 --> 02:46:17,870
much bigger consciousness that is

3554
02:46:22,510 --> 02:46:20,030
humanity as a whole which is God as a

3555
02:46:24,850 --> 02:46:22,520
whole you know and you know which is

3556
02:46:27,990 --> 02:46:24,860
part of God as a whole and the great

3557
02:46:31,270 --> 02:46:28,000
hermetic dictum is as above so below

3558
02:46:33,610 --> 02:46:31,280
meaning that every individual human is

3559
02:46:36,070 --> 02:46:33,620
if you know as we read in the Bible is

3560
02:46:38,200 --> 02:46:36,080
made in God's image so therefore is a

3561
02:46:41,530 --> 02:46:38,210
reflection of higher reality and that

3562
02:46:43,420 --> 02:46:41,540
perhaps even looking within into your

3563
02:46:45,690 --> 02:46:43,430
own psyche in your own mind and your own

3564
02:46:47,920 --> 02:46:45,700
body you might detect the signature and

3565
02:46:50,200 --> 02:46:47,930
the likeness of the Creator

3566
02:46:52,540 --> 02:46:50,210
I think that's the Hermetic take on it

3567
02:46:54,219 --> 02:46:52,550
and I think that certainly Carl Jung who

3568
02:46:56,980 --> 02:46:54,229
coined the phrase collective unconscious

3569
02:46:58,719 --> 02:46:56,990
to describe how ideas could pass between

3570
02:47:01,000 --> 02:46:58,729
lions seemingly through a psychic

3571
02:47:03,010 --> 02:47:01,010
phenomenon you know Ewing really was a

3572
02:47:05,350 --> 02:47:03,020
great researcher of the hermetica and of

3573
02:47:07,389 --> 02:47:05,360
alchemy and of magic and he really kind

3574
02:47:09,310 --> 02:47:07,399
of just scraped the surface of it or

3575
02:47:10,810 --> 02:47:09,320
maybe perhaps just talked about the part

3576
02:47:14,050 --> 02:47:10,820
that he could kind of get away with at

3577
02:47:17,260 --> 02:47:14,060
the time baring his political climate in

3578
02:47:18,460 --> 02:47:17,270
mind but you know all those theories the

3579
02:47:21,219 --> 02:47:18,470
theory of the collective unconscious

3580
02:47:23,620 --> 02:47:21,229
itself comes out of Carl Jung's

3581
02:47:25,510 --> 02:47:23,630
investigation of the occult and comes

3582
02:47:27,389 --> 02:47:25,520
out of Carl Jung for instance

3583
02:47:29,440 --> 02:47:27,399
interacting with patients

3584
02:47:31,690 --> 02:47:29,450
therapeutically who would be talking

3585
02:47:34,210 --> 02:47:31,700
about having dreams of alchemical

3586
02:47:36,790 --> 02:47:34,220
symbols like a winged egg for instance

3587
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:36,800
or an egg encircled by a serpent and you

3588
02:47:39,850 --> 02:47:38,000
and would say well hang on that's an

3589
02:47:41,530 --> 02:47:39,860
occult symbol how that you've never seen

3590
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:41,540
that before in your life so how is an

3591
02:47:45,580 --> 02:47:43,610
occult symbol popping up in the dream of

3592
02:47:49,300 --> 02:47:45,590
somebody who's never seen that symbol

3593
02:47:52,450 --> 02:47:49,310
right right right right check this house

3594
02:47:55,389 --> 02:47:52,460
is a good question right here can mr.

3595
02:47:57,639 --> 02:47:55,399
Louv comment on the later compilations

3596
02:48:00,280 --> 02:47:57,649
of Dee's work that seems to incorporate

3597
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:00,290
a number of apparently cthe onic

3598
02:48:08,500 --> 02:48:06,170
entities Cthulhu well I think what

3599
02:48:11,880 --> 02:48:08,510
might be talking about is there were

3600
02:48:14,830 --> 02:48:11,890
some books written by Donald Tyson who

3601
02:48:17,020 --> 02:48:14,840
is a recent occult researcher who's

3602
02:48:18,760 --> 02:48:17,030
written a ball about both low craft and

3603
02:48:21,160 --> 02:48:18,770
D and his mixed name of crafting

3604
02:48:23,920 --> 02:48:21,170
elements into these stuff but that's

3605
02:48:27,070 --> 02:48:23,930
Tyson's individual idiosyncrasy there's

3606
02:48:29,620 --> 02:48:27,080
no you know Lovecraftian stuff in any of

3607
02:48:32,560 --> 02:48:29,630
the original d texts one of the great

3608
02:48:35,110 --> 02:48:32,570
things about the current cultural moment

3609
02:48:36,730 --> 02:48:35,120
is that there's so much more accurate

3610
02:48:38,200 --> 02:48:36,740
information coming out because of the

3611
02:48:40,630 --> 02:48:38,210
internet we have access to original

3612
02:48:42,460 --> 02:48:40,640
texts that have been out of print for

3613
02:48:44,380 --> 02:48:42,470
long periods of time and we can go back

3614
02:48:47,230 --> 02:48:44,390
and look at these things with much more

3615
02:48:49,810 --> 02:48:47,240
precision or as you know in the 70s and

3616
02:48:51,429 --> 02:48:49,820
the 80s people were just kind of you

3617
02:48:53,290 --> 02:48:51,439
know people like Kenneth grant and and

3618
02:48:55,030 --> 02:48:53,300
other authors like that we're just kind

3619
02:48:56,980 --> 02:48:55,040
of like making it up on the fly and

3620
02:48:58,480 --> 02:48:56,990
throwing in Lovecraft stuff or Hollywood

3621
02:49:00,460 --> 02:48:58,490
stuff and there wasn't a whole lot of

3622
02:49:02,200 --> 02:49:00,470
academic rigor there's a lot more

3623
02:49:05,830 --> 02:49:02,210
academic rigor now than there used to be

3624
02:49:08,050 --> 02:49:05,840
will your next book you're reading this

3625
02:49:09,880 --> 02:49:08,060
in in Twitter so you know what's coming

3626
02:49:12,790 --> 02:49:09,890
up with your next book B about Jack

3627
02:49:17,370 --> 02:49:12,800
Parsons haha stay tuned that's all I'll

3628
02:49:21,310 --> 02:49:17,380
say yeah you gotta love the internet

3629
02:49:24,190 --> 02:49:21,320
last question is this and and you know

3630
02:49:29,740 --> 02:49:24,200
what and and so much has been made about

3631
02:49:33,160 --> 02:49:29,750
this over the years not only from l ron

3632
02:49:34,840 --> 02:49:33,170
Hubbard but others so let's clear the

3633
02:49:39,250 --> 02:49:34,850
air on this because I've heard both

3634
02:49:42,820 --> 02:49:39,260
sides did l ron hubbard ever meet

3635
02:49:45,490 --> 02:49:42,830
Crowley no he never did he never did no

3636
02:49:47,170 --> 02:49:45,500
but neither did Parsons by the way right

3637
02:49:49,780 --> 02:49:47,180
they are they only communicated by mail

3638
02:49:56,020 --> 02:49:49,790
so the three of them were never together

3639
02:50:00,730 --> 02:49:56,030
nope did l ron Hubbard say that he hung

3640
02:50:02,710 --> 02:50:00,740
out with Crowley no oh okay so this is

3641
02:50:06,700 --> 02:50:02,720
all urban legend not that I know of I

3642
02:50:08,560 --> 02:50:06,710
mean Hubbard said a lot of stuff okay

3643
02:50:10,330 --> 02:50:08,570
maybe he did and I don't know I mean I

3644
02:50:13,000 --> 02:50:10,340
haven't I'm not like a super

3645
02:50:14,260 --> 02:50:13,010
like he'll run Hubbard experts so right

3646
02:50:16,450 --> 02:50:14,270
but not not to my knowledge

3647
02:50:18,760 --> 02:50:16,460
okay now you might have there I don't

3648
02:50:20,290 --> 02:50:18,770
know it's it's worth a Google search was

3649
02:50:24,630 --> 02:50:20,300
Crowley ever

3650
02:50:26,170 --> 02:50:24,640
fan of Hubbard o'kroley hated Hubbard

3651
02:50:28,150 --> 02:50:26,180
Crowley

3652
02:50:30,910 --> 02:50:28,160
there's our infamous letter where he

3653
02:50:33,639 --> 02:50:30,920
says you know where cuz cuz Parsons was

3654
02:50:35,650 --> 02:50:33,649
you have to remember like very I mean he

3655
02:50:37,450 --> 02:50:35,660
was he wasn't that young he was and he's

3656
02:50:39,160 --> 02:50:37,460
old enough to know better but he was

3657
02:50:41,170 --> 02:50:39,170
young enough that he was still very

3658
02:50:43,780 --> 02:50:41,180
naive and had stars in his eyes and

3659
02:50:45,760 --> 02:50:43,790
really believed it all and was on drugs

3660
02:50:47,679 --> 02:50:45,770
all the time he wasn't a very grounded

3661
02:50:50,320 --> 02:50:47,689
or rigorous person and in fact he made a

3662
02:50:52,510 --> 02:50:50,330
lot of mistakes in his magic which are

3663
02:50:55,780 --> 02:50:52,520
Grievous errors which I write about in

3664
02:50:57,880 --> 02:50:55,790
the book so he was kind of sloppy but he

3665
02:51:00,280 --> 02:50:57,890
was really taken in by hubbard who was

3666
02:51:01,450 --> 02:51:00,290
able to convince him of all this stuff

3667
02:51:04,300 --> 02:51:01,460
convinced him that he was a great

3668
02:51:06,520 --> 02:51:04,310
magician and you know just play you know

3669
02:51:08,800 --> 02:51:06,530
confidence trickster games with Parsons

3670
02:51:10,840 --> 02:51:08,810
and Parsons was too dumb to see it but

3671
02:51:12,250 --> 02:51:10,850
Crowley was not because Crowley had been

3672
02:51:13,719 --> 02:51:12,260
around the block and it was kind of like

3673
02:51:15,880 --> 02:51:13,729
you know Curley had done a lot of that

3674
02:51:18,370 --> 02:51:15,890
stuff himself so he he knew what he was

3675
02:51:21,490 --> 02:51:18,380
looking for and Crowley wrote at one

3676
02:51:23,349 --> 02:51:21,500
point you know like suspect in two other

3677
02:51:24,730 --> 02:51:23,359
rodeo people you know suspect that Jack

3678
02:51:26,260 --> 02:51:24,740
has been taken in by you know

3679
02:51:28,599 --> 02:51:26,270
run-of-the-mill confidence tricks in

3680
02:51:30,490 --> 02:51:28,609
that type of thing by suspect Ron that

3681
02:51:33,580 --> 02:51:30,500
was Crowley's phrase for for Elrond

3682
02:51:35,650 --> 02:51:33,590
suspect Ron know he was not a fan of him

3683
02:51:38,290 --> 02:51:35,660
are you looking at Twitter right now I

3684
02:51:43,270 --> 02:51:38,300
want to ask you about lamb really quick

3685
02:51:48,670 --> 02:51:43,280
I don't know yes yes infamous yeah the

3686
02:51:52,270 --> 02:51:48,680
infamous and I I like everybody else I

3687
02:51:54,790 --> 02:51:52,280
look at lamb and I'm certainly think

3688
02:51:58,300 --> 02:51:54,800
that I'm looking at ET I'm looking at a

3689
02:52:01,510 --> 02:51:58,310
modern gray what do you think lamb

3690
02:52:05,020 --> 02:52:01,520
represents yeah so lamb for those who

3691
02:52:07,150 --> 02:52:05,030
don't know it so Crowley was you know

3692
02:52:09,820 --> 02:52:07,160
God decided to become an artist at a

3693
02:52:13,690 --> 02:52:09,830
certain point in his life and in the

3694
02:52:14,920 --> 02:52:13,700
nineteen tens he did magical working

3695
02:52:18,490 --> 02:52:14,930
with some of his students called the

3696
02:52:21,490 --> 02:52:18,500
elantra working to contact some dis

3697
02:52:24,370 --> 02:52:21,500
incarnate intelligences and around that

3698
02:52:27,849 --> 02:52:24,380
time or after that he drew a picture it

3699
02:52:29,770 --> 02:52:27,859
looks like dead-on like the modern you

3700
02:52:31,150 --> 02:52:29,780
know depictions of gray aliens it looks

3701
02:52:33,670 --> 02:52:31,160
like the cover of communion

3702
02:52:34,121 --> 02:52:33,680
it does it does fiber like dead on and

3703
02:52:38,381 --> 02:52:34,131
it's

3704
02:52:40,001 --> 02:52:38,391
never came out until the 80s right not

3705
02:52:41,560 --> 02:52:40,011
not the drawing but people didn't start

3706
02:52:43,810 --> 02:52:41,570
using that image of the great aliens

3707
02:52:46,211 --> 02:52:43,820
until the 80s it had in it became

3708
02:52:48,461 --> 02:52:46,221
obviously very popular in our culture in

3709
02:52:50,350 --> 02:52:48,471
the 80s and 90s and then actually quite

3710
02:52:51,701 --> 02:52:50,360
mysteriously just disappeared again I

3711
02:52:53,350 --> 02:52:51,711
mean you never see people talking about

3712
02:52:55,331 --> 02:52:53,360
the grey aliens anymore not like they

3713
02:52:56,890 --> 02:52:55,341
used to where it was like on everything

3714
02:52:58,631 --> 02:52:56,900
you know stickers on people's backpacks

3715
02:53:00,491 --> 02:52:58,641
like everywhere right and it just kind

3716
02:53:03,520 --> 02:53:00,501
of disappeared that was quite odd too

3717
02:53:05,821 --> 02:53:03,530
but but yeah but now we have this

3718
02:53:08,770 --> 02:53:05,831
picture from the 1910s of a gray alien

3719
02:53:11,261 --> 02:53:08,780
being drawn by a guy who's spending all

3720
02:53:13,150 --> 02:53:11,271
of his time trying to contact non-human

3721
02:53:16,270 --> 02:53:13,160
intelligences well that's a little odd

3722
02:53:19,031 --> 02:53:16,280
but in terms of what lamb really is I

3723
02:53:22,591 --> 02:53:19,041
will give you one hint and one hint only

3724
02:53:25,241 --> 02:53:22,601
which is turn the picture upside down I

3725
02:53:27,430 --> 02:53:25,251
will tell you what it is but try it

3726
02:53:29,261 --> 02:53:27,440
yourself oh man

3727
02:53:31,541 --> 02:53:29,271
hold on a minute you're gonna make me

3728
02:53:36,251 --> 02:53:31,551
reverse this image okay I'll do it right

3729
02:53:39,011 --> 02:53:36,261
now okay all right let's do that let's

3730
02:53:42,161 --> 02:53:39,021
see here it is I'm gonna do this in real

3731
02:53:49,451 --> 02:53:42,171
time everybody all right let me pull

3732
02:53:55,871 --> 02:53:49,461
this into an editor and boom done yes

3733
02:54:04,350 --> 02:53:55,881
okay and here it is let's edit yes I

3734
02:54:15,031 --> 02:54:13,410
okay I've got it upside down hmm

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02:54:16,930 --> 02:54:15,041
[Music]

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02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:16,940
you might not want to say it on the

3737
02:54:22,890 --> 02:54:21,530
radio it's a little lewd oh really you

3738
02:54:25,961 --> 02:54:22,900
think so

3739
02:54:28,810 --> 02:54:25,971
sure well yeah I'll let people make

3740
02:54:35,321 --> 02:54:28,820
their own conclusions okay okay that's

3741
02:54:38,650 --> 02:54:35,331
interesting that's interest right okay

3742
02:54:40,661 --> 02:54:38,660
all right could be it's not as fun is

3743
02:54:45,371 --> 02:54:40,671
well I don't know it could be more fun I

3744
02:54:46,250 --> 02:54:45,381
don't know if the Jason fascinating

3745
02:54:48,500 --> 02:54:46,260
conversation

3746
02:54:49,969 --> 02:54:48,510
where are you gonna be speaking are you

3747
02:54:52,250 --> 02:54:49,979
gonna be I know you're doing your book

3748
02:54:53,750 --> 02:54:52,260
tour are you still out doing that where

3749
02:54:56,120 --> 02:54:53,760
you're gonna be speaking next yeah I

3750
02:54:58,370 --> 02:54:56,130
just got back from Seattle I'm hoping to

3751
02:55:01,429 --> 02:54:58,380
do an event in Los Angeles very shortly

3752
02:55:05,059 --> 02:55:01,439
no dates have not been announced but I

3753
02:55:07,099 --> 02:55:05,069
am doing stuff online all the time the

3754
02:55:10,429 --> 02:55:07,109
best place to find out about all of this

3755
02:55:12,260 --> 02:55:10,439
is Jason lucam and so there you can see

3756
02:55:14,809 --> 02:55:12,270
all of my social media please follow me

3757
02:55:16,610 --> 02:55:14,819
on social media to stay abreast of what

3758
02:55:19,130 --> 02:55:16,620
I'm up to you can see my school for

3759
02:55:20,809 --> 02:55:19,140
magic magic dot me where I have video

3760
02:55:23,360 --> 02:55:20,819
trainings in all of the stuff that we're

3761
02:55:25,880 --> 02:55:23,370
talking about astral projection chaos

3762
02:55:28,099 --> 02:55:25,890
magic yoga meditation and Enochian magic

3763
02:55:30,080 --> 02:55:28,109
at just this week released a class on

3764
02:55:33,559 --> 02:55:30,090
Enochian which is available for

3765
02:55:35,960 --> 02:55:33,569
everybody and there's also a free class

3766
02:55:38,780 --> 02:55:35,970
on magic it which is a seven day email

3767
02:55:41,510 --> 02:55:38,790
class which contains podcasts and video

3768
02:55:43,400 --> 02:55:41,520
trainings and guided meditations and

3769
02:55:45,889 --> 02:55:43,410
will tell you how to make you know do a

3770
02:55:48,440 --> 02:55:45,899
call rituals and make sizzles and get in

3771
02:55:51,170 --> 02:55:48,450
to do real meditation and everything

3772
02:55:53,240 --> 02:55:51,180
that you need to know to start and you

3773
02:55:55,099 --> 02:55:53,250
can get that very easily by the way all

3774
02:55:59,660 --> 02:55:55,109
you have to do to get that is text the

3775
02:56:03,200 --> 02:55:59,670
word shaman so SH am a and shaman to the

3776
02:56:04,670 --> 02:56:03,210
phone number four four two two two so

3777
02:56:08,120 --> 02:56:04,680
it's the phone the phone number four

3778
02:56:10,550 --> 02:56:08,130
four two two two the word shaman and it

3779
02:56:13,070 --> 02:56:10,560
will just you know text you back and ask

3780
02:56:14,510 --> 02:56:13,080
you for your email address and then once

3781
02:56:16,519 --> 02:56:14,520
you put that in it will send you the

3782
02:56:19,969 --> 02:56:16,529
class how's that for a magic trick man

3783
02:56:21,980 --> 02:56:19,979
that is total mystery schools stuff

3784
02:56:25,580 --> 02:56:21,990
going on for the modern age well played

3785
02:56:27,410 --> 02:56:25,590
my friend great conversation tonight and

3786
02:56:30,530 --> 02:56:27,420
I can't wait so what we did tonight

3787
02:56:33,679 --> 02:56:30,540
everybody I'll just let you know we we

3788
02:56:37,010 --> 02:56:33,689
did a lot of general conversation to get

3789
02:56:39,679 --> 02:56:37,020
through parts of this book but with

3790
02:56:41,510 --> 02:56:39,689
Jason there is everything else that he

3791
02:56:43,400 --> 02:56:41,520
does that we can go into at depth at a

3792
02:56:45,710 --> 02:56:43,410
later date and we're gonna do just that

3793
02:56:47,210 --> 02:56:45,720
you know I forgot how could I forget I

3794
02:56:49,160 --> 02:56:47,220
forgot to mention in the book I forgot

3795
02:56:51,440 --> 02:56:49,170
to plug the book oh yeah how could I

3796
02:56:54,110 --> 02:56:51,450
sorry so the book is called John D and

3797
02:56:55,790 --> 02:56:54,120
the Empire of Angels it has been blowing

3798
02:56:58,580 --> 02:56:55,800
up on Amazon it's already in its third

3799
02:57:00,170 --> 02:56:58,590
printing it's a giant hardback and it's

3800
02:57:03,469 --> 02:57:00,180
a it's a beautiful book

3801
02:57:06,139 --> 02:57:03,479
and so I'm a bit biased but that's what

3802
02:57:08,090 --> 02:57:06,149
people are telling me and so you can

3803
02:57:09,469 --> 02:57:08,100
just find that on Amazon Google Chuck or

3804
02:57:11,719 --> 02:57:09,479
just look you know search John Dee on

3805
02:57:13,969 --> 02:57:11,729
Amazon John Dee and the Empire of Angels

3806
02:57:16,370 --> 02:57:13,979
or there's a website for it which is

3807
02:57:18,710 --> 02:57:16,380
John Dee double-oh-seven comm and that

3808
02:57:21,349 --> 02:57:18,720
has all the options to order it we have

3809
02:57:24,559 --> 02:57:21,359
all of those links by the way up at

3810
02:57:27,620 --> 02:57:24,569
Jimmy Church radio.com and you can go

3811
02:57:30,260 --> 02:57:27,630
and get the book I highly recommend it

3812
02:57:33,380 --> 02:57:30,270
it is an amazing read jason louvre

3813
02:57:34,819 --> 02:57:33,390
amazing conversation that was great

3814
02:57:37,340 --> 02:57:34,829
thank you again for having me on I'm

3815
02:57:39,319 --> 02:57:37,350
greatly honored thank you Jason and I

3816
02:57:41,059 --> 02:57:39,329
can't wait to a not only hangout we're

3817
02:57:42,500 --> 02:57:41,069
neighbors but I can't wait to get you

3818
02:57:45,739 --> 02:57:42,510
back on the show again thank you so much

3819
02:57:47,870 --> 02:57:45,749
thank you Jason Louvre everybody I've

3820
02:57:50,029 --> 02:57:47,880
got it we took it to the the very end

3821
02:57:52,849 --> 02:57:50,039
I've got a roll credits and get out of

3822
02:57:55,340 --> 02:57:52,859
here great conversation tonight and the

3823
02:57:56,889 --> 02:57:55,350
links are up over at Jimmy Church

3824
02:57:59,689 --> 02:57:56,899
radio.com

3825
02:58:02,000 --> 02:57:59,699
let's do this let's get out of here

3826
02:58:05,599 --> 02:58:02,010
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3827
02:58:08,269 --> 02:58:05,609
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3830
02:58:16,489 --> 02:58:13,919
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02:58:22,130 --> 02:58:19,829
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02:58:27,409 --> 02:58:22,140
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02:58:31,189 --> 02:58:29,789
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3836
02:58:32,420 --> 02:58:31,199
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02:58:36,260 --> 02:58:34,499
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02:58:37,670 --> 02:58:36,270
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02:58:39,439 --> 02:58:37,680
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3841
02:58:42,260 --> 02:58:39,449
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3842
02:58:43,939 --> 02:58:42,270
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3843
02:58:45,260 --> 02:58:43,949
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3844
02:58:48,830 --> 02:58:45,270
here fade to black

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02:58:51,210 --> 02:58:48,840
Fator night until then be safe Gobekli

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02:59:11,830 --> 02:59:00,670
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02:59:30,930 --> 02:59:11,840
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